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Were driven through. Bones in his feet crushed by nails. DNA in all the Bones. His full name Jesus Christ on the Tomb with the names of all his Apostles Will the Christians try and pull an OJ?

2007-03-01 17:22:25 · 13 answers · asked by Anonymous in Society & Culture Religion & Spirituality

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they have already begun.

2007-03-01 17:26:25 · answer #1 · answered by dogpatch USA 7 · 0 0

Cameron is pandering to the public and his "find" will be proven to be just bad science:

- The statistical analysis is not rigorous

- The name "Jesus" was a popular name at that time, appearing in 98 other tombs and on 21 other ossuaries

- There is no historical evidence that Jesus was ever married or had a child

- The earliest followers of Jesus never called him, "Jesus, son of Joseph"

- It's unlikely Joseph, who had died earlier in Galilee, would have been buried in Jerusalem

- The Talipot tomb and ossuaries probably would have belonged to a rich family, which is not a historical match for Jesus

- Fourth-century church historian Eusebius makes quite clear the body of James, brother of Jesus, was buried alone near the temple mount.

- The two Mary ossuaries do not mention anyone from Migdal, but just Mary, a common name

- By all ancient accounts, the tomb of Jesus was empty, making it unlikely that any body was moved, allowed to decay for a year, then be put into an ossuary.

- If Jesus had remained in the tomb, first-century opponents of Christianity would most certainly have found His body and put it on public display.

- Amos Kloner, the first archaeologist to examine the site, said the conclusions cannot be supported by the evidence but it's a way to make money on television. He would have nothing to do with supporting the movie's assertions. "It's nonsense," he said.

- James, the half-brother of Jesus and author of the book of James, the early leader of the church in Jerusalem, was martyred for his faith. Why does James make no mention in his letter that Jesus was not bodily resurrected? When he was about to die why didn't he just recant his beliefs and say, 'Okay, okay! My brother didn't rise from the dead. Here's where we took him. Here's where his bones are. Here's our family tomb. We made the whole thing up?' People will generally not die for a lie when they know it's a lie. Why would James die perpetuating a lie when it would have been so easy to disprove? In fact why would any of the apostles go to their deaths for something they knew to be false?

As I have expected, there has been **no scientific or historical find** that has ever been shown to disprove the authenticity of the bible's history or theology.

Kind of sad to see that all it takes is a press conference for folks to form life-altering opinions versus taking the time to rationally examine all the issues and dig a little deeper. It is the Macdonald's generation: fast, superficial, and never satisfying.

2007-03-02 01:32:22 · answer #2 · answered by Ask Mr. Religion 6 · 2 0

There is one thing they have failed to mention. Had Jesus remained
in that tomb, the early church could and would have been stopped in
its tracks because although we do not know the exact location of the
tomb....the Jews and the Romans DID!

Remember, the Romans even had a guard around the tomb to make sure
no one stole the body but still three days later....there was NO
BODY there! Jesus rose from the dead only miles from where HIS
resurrection was proclaimed in the streets. Had Jesus not been
risen...it would have been a very simple matter to have produced the
body....2,000 Years ago!

The Empty Tomb sets Christianity apart from any religion and it
confirms that Jesus is who He said He was....the SON of the Living
GOD.

There was absolutely nothing to gain by the Jewish leaders or the
Romans to have concealed the Body of Jesus Christ None of these
leaders ever even questions His resurrection. They only tried to
do "damage control"

Paul the Apostle stated in 1 Corinthians 15:13-15 (King James Version)


13 But if there be no resurrection of the dead, then is Christ not
risen:
14 And if Christ be not risen, then is our preaching vain, and your
faith is also vain.
15 Yea, and we are found false witnesses of God; because we have
testified of God that he raised up Christ: whom he raised not up, if
so be that the dead rise not.

For anyone who truly wants to find Jesus, He did promise that those
who seek Him shall find Him. You can find Jesus right now in the
next few moments in this link:

http://www.shatterdmen.com/first_step.htm

2007-03-02 01:28:11 · answer #3 · answered by Anonymous · 2 0

No,it is certainly not 'undeniable',and they have not proved anything that you just claimed.and both Christians and non-Christians are criticizing the film.
Even more problems with the ‘Jesus tomb’ are appearing.Critics (Christian and non-Christian) are disputing the film.

1. One of the ossuaries is in Hebrew, several in Aramaic, and one in Greek.Why would they be in different languages?The Jews at that time spoke Aramiac,including Jesus’ family,not Greek.This suggests a multi-generational tomb.
2. In addition,the names were extremely common.Jesus,Matthew,and Jospeh were in the top ten of used names in that era.The name Mary,was shared by over 21% of Jewish women.
3. Mary Magdalene was never called Mariamene.This name comes from a 4th century document called the ‘Gospel of Phillip’.Why trust a document written hundreds of years ,since we already have records of what the people who knew her called her? Also,the ‘Mary’ of the tomb,does not have anything about Migdal on the ossuary.It simply says Mary.
A big deal is made of DNA evidence.What happened?
4. Scientists were able to extract DNA from the remains in two of the caskets.What did this show? That the one in the ‘Mary’ caket and one in the ‘Jesus’ casket,were not maternally related.So,they’ve taken that finding,and made a big leap to come to the conclusion that ‘Mary’ and ‘Jesus’ were married.
5. Here we run into a few more problems.The tomb was found in Jerusalem.Joseph’s birthplace was Bethlehem,he lived in Nazareth,and died in Galilee.Why would he have bought a tomb in Jerusalme,a place where he had no connection? The tomb and ossuaries were also the type that only the rich would have been able to afford.
6. There is no evidence that shows Jesus as having a son,or being married.
7. They have to explain why there are three brothers of Jesus missing from the tomb: James, Judas and Simon,and then explain why a ‘Matthew’ never recorded as being part of Jesus’ family,was in the tomb.
8. The makers rely on the assumption that the earlier ‘James,son of Joseph,brother of Jesus’ ossuary,was taken from the same tomb as the ones in the film.For this to have happened,the earlier James ossuary must have been removed from the tomb after 1980.The problem? The earlier James ossuary,was photographed in the 1970’s.It could not have come from the tomb.
9. .The next problem is statistical evidence.While calculating,they did a few things that dramatically altered the result.They removed the names ‘Matthew’ and ‘Judah’,yet kept in ‘Mariamne’,based on the ‘Gospel of Phillip’.

This is what the experts had to say about the find:

Prof. Amos Kloner, the Jerusalem District archeologist who officially oversaw the work at the tomb in 1980 and has published detailed findings on its contents, on Saturday night dismissed the claims. "It makes a great story for a TV film," he told The Jerusalem Post. "But it's impossible. It's nonsense." “"They just want to get money for it,"
Kloner said the names found on the ossuaries were common, and the fact that such apparently resonant names had been found together was of no significance. He added that "Jesus son of Joseph" inscriptions had been found on several other ossuaries over the years."There is no likelihood that Jesus and his relatives had a family tomb," Kloner said. "They were a Galilee family with no ties in Jerusalem. The Talpiot tomb belonged to a middle-class family from the 1st century CE."
"Archeological evidence shows that chances of these being the actual
burials of the Holy Family are almost nil," said Motti Neiger, a spokesman for the
Antiquities Authority.
Stephen Pfann, a biblical scholar at the University of the Holy Land in Jerusalem who was interviewed in the documentary, said the film's hypothesis holds little weight. "How possible is it?" he said. "On a scale of one through 10 - 10 being completely possible , it's probably a one, maybe a one and a half."
Amos Kloner, the first archaeologist to examine the site,also said the idea fails to hold up by archaeological standards but makes for profitable television.


William Dever, an expert on near eastern archaeology and anthropology, who has worked with Israeli archeologists for five decades, said specialists have known about the ossuaries for years.
"The fact that it's been ignored tells you something," said Dever, professor emeritus at the University of Arizona. "It would be amusing if it didn't mislead so many people


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2007-03-02 01:30:31 · answer #4 · answered by Serena 5 · 1 0

If it were undeniable, how can so many people deny it?

Broken bones by nails? That was very common. Newly discovered tombs? Not only unlikely, but statistically impossible.

Roman guards, of all people, were too well disciplined to have lost Christ's tomb, to leave it unattended, then to return to Pilate and tell him Jesus walked away. They pierced his side to see if he would flinch, but water and blood poured out. You can imagine that the people famous for their knowledge of death and torture (specifically calculating 39 lashes that a person could withstand) would not just casually poke a guy and say "yeah, he's dead, lets put him in a cave and forget him"

Including how famous Jesus was, and how hated he was, there were also probably people who followed him to make sure the disciples didn't interfere.

2007-03-02 01:36:49 · answer #5 · answered by Christian #3412 5 · 2 1

Undeniable conclusive proof?

If the family of Jesus was from Galilee, why would they be buried in Jerusalem?

By the way, his "full name" was not Jesus Christ (as if his last name was Christ). Christ was a title meaning "anointed."

2007-03-02 01:29:08 · answer #6 · answered by David S 5 · 1 0

You are misinformed as to the details of the claims. Besides, not many are giving creedence to this story, it's a publicity stunt. These people stand to make a fortune. Most scholars dispute this find.
Your question is confusing. Do you believe or don't believe that this is actually Jesus?
If you believe this is Jesus, then He was not resurrected.

2007-03-02 01:38:33 · answer #7 · answered by MythBuster 2 · 1 0

Banana snake if your parents name were found in my backyard, does it mean they were once my pet dogs?

No right? Why do you know that? And can you prove me wrong?


I can tell you why the findings are not believable.

There were hundreds if not thousands of witnesses to the incidents on the crucifixion and resurrection. Today, what you're finding are just coffins and inscriptions.

There only way you can show that the two are one and the same is to wait for judgement day. For now, its just another documentary.

2007-03-02 01:29:08 · answer #8 · answered by Anonymous · 1 1

Of course.

"We believed his soul ascended, not his body."

That simple.

I ask you, will they stop eating those wafers now that they realize what they've been chewing on?

Still, James Cameron is a money-making machine. That schmo. Historically, Jesus lived in Galilee, NOT Jerusalem.

2007-03-02 01:42:22 · answer #9 · answered by Me, Thrice-Baked 5 · 0 0

Is there a website that this can be examined?

Is there any evidance to support this outside of you saying it.

I go by the evidance not what people say. But if true this is fantastic! Christianity will die because of this!

2007-03-02 01:29:44 · answer #10 · answered by Anonymous · 1 0

excuse me, why would people who bury Him and want to expose His body name His tomb "Jesus Christ", thus admitting He is our Saviour(CHrist means Saviour)

and if it was REALLY A CONSPIRACY BY THE CHURCH to hide Jesus' body, why would they name the tomb Jesus Christ...........

2007-03-02 01:53:04 · answer #11 · answered by sylll 3 · 0 0

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