Why do you think God died for our sins?

Question

It wasn't God the Almighty that came to earth. It was his son Jesus. Why can't you get the two straight?
It's so simple.
They are not the same person. Are you and your father the same person?
The bible says that no man has seen God at any time yet many thousands have seen Jesus. Explain that!

Answer 1

God did not die for our sins; Jesus Christ, God's Son, did. People who believe the trinity throw reason out the door. To them, it was God who came to earth, although the Bible clearly says it was God's Son who really came. John 3:16, 17. To trinitarians, Jesus is almighty God, although he clearly said at John 17:3, that his Father is the only true God. Trinitarians feel Jesus and his Father are equals, although Jesus said at John 14:28: "The Father is greater than I am."Trinitarians feel the holy spirit is God, although Jesus said there were things that only the Father knew. Matt. 24:36. Trinitarians feel Jesus is God, although Jesus told Mary: "I am ascending to "my God." John 20:17.

Trinitarians will have you believe that Jesus was his own Father.

At Ps. 83:18, Jehovah is called the Most High, but at Luke 1:32, Jesus is called the Son of the Most High.

Answer 2

Oh, yes they are.
They are one and the same.
John 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
John 1:14 And the Word became flesh, and dwelt among us, and we beheld His glory, glory as of the only begotten from the Father, full of grace and truth.
Who was made flesh? The Word.
Who was the Word? Jesus.
Was the Word God? Yes He was.

AND,
John 10:30 "I and the Father are one."
And,
John 14:8 Philip said^ to Him, "Lord, show us the Father, and it is enough for us."
John 14:9 Jesus said^ to him, "Have I been so long with you, and yet you have not come to know Me, Philip? He who has seen Me has seen the Father; how do you say, 'Show us the Father'?
I think I have the two strait. The Father son and Holy Spirit are one and the same.
Try this, God is Holy, God is Spirit, God is the Holy Spirit and Is His Word. He is also the Father of Spirits. Heb. 12:9.
Concentrate on the words Father of Spirits.
That is what we are. Spirits that inhabit bodies.

Answer 3

Jesus also said "They that hath seen me, hath seen the Father." Jesus Christ is not the same person as the Father. You got that right. They are both in the Godhead, meaning they are both Gods. They are usually called One God because of their unity of purpose and will. They are one in purpose. God the Father has positioned Jesus Christ as the God of Israel. Everytime you hear God speaking in the Old Testament it's actually the Son, Jesus Christ or Jehovah (YHWH) speaking. To prove this is actually rather easy. Remember in the exodus when the LORD was leading the newly freed Israelites by a pillar of fire by night and a cloud in the day? Paul said this concerning the Exodus:

1 Corinthians 10:1,4 "Moreover, brethren, I would not that ye should be ignorant, how that all our fathers were under the cloud, and all passed through the sea; And did all drink the same spiritual drink: for they drank of that spiritual Rock that followed them: and that Rock was Christ."

So you see that Paul identifies Christ as Jehovah, when he alludes to the time when the children of Israel were wandering in the wilderness and Moses brought water from a rock. (Jehovah is often referred to as the Rock of Israel in the Old Testament. See Deut. 31:3–4; 2 Sam. 23:3; Ps. 18:31, 46.)

Answer 4

I'm not so sure about the text in the Bible that says this, but I know from things I've learned that Jesus was sent here to earth in His time to be, pretty much, a "Preacher" or teacher of God's wishes. If you believe, then you believe that God created us, and that our whole puropse on earth is to serve God and live for Him, and while doing that, try to witness to others of his miracles and, basically his law of how we should live. By doing that, and trying to obide by His word, being the Bible, we gain our way into Heaven. God is preparing a place, a wonderfule place, for us to spend eternity in. If we choose not to go there, then we go to hell. It says in the Bible that hell is so bad that it is beyond all evil that man can imagine.
I, personally think it's simple-do good and go to Heaven, or do bad and go to hell.
To go back to your question, many ppl have seen Jesus because God sent him here to spread his word. No one alive has seen God, because it's impossible-he's in Heaven.
What I've said might come across as that from a brainwashed mind, but I didn't always believe-but I do now....and I'll say that my life has never been better!
Thanks for letting me rant! :)

Answer 5

Nobody has ever seen God the Father,Jesus was God the Son.God the Son died for our sins because he loved us.They are not the same person but are composite parts of the same God.(Acts 20:28,John 20:28,John 1:1,1 Timothy 3:16)

Answer 6

God Is Three Persons.The fact that God is three persons means that the Father is not the Son; they are distinct persons. It also means that theFather is not the Holy Spirit, but that they are distinct persons. And it means that the Son is not the Holy Spirit. In addition to the fact that all three personsare distinct, the abundant testimony of Scripture is that each person is fully God as well. Scripture is abundantly clear that there is one and only one God. The three different persons of the Trinity are one not only in purpose and in agreement on what they think, but they are one in essence, one in their essential nature. In other words, God is only one being.There are not three Gods. There is only one God.

The duality of Christ's nature, human and divine, cannot be fully and definitively answered. If we could, we would possess divine minds ourselves. That said, we theologians have made progress at trying to understand the concepts of the Trinity of God and God the Son's role in that Trinitarian doctrine. There are three persons in the Godhead, the Father, the Son, and the Holy Ghost; and these three are one true, eternal God, the same in substance, equal in power and glory; although distinguished by their personal properties. Jesus clearly stated his divinity in Joh 8:58: Jesus said to them, "Truly, truly, I say to you, before Abraham was, I am." The Jews hearing his claim understood exactly what He was saying and planned to stone Him.

In short, Jesus’ human nature could be tempted. He thirsted, hungered, and at times was full of righteous anger. Yet He never sinned. If He did, we are all lost and God is not God. Christ also was God with all of God's attributes, and these two natures existed in a hypostatic (fundamental state) union.

I doubt I can improve upon the discussion of Christ's dual nature that is found at http://www.carm.org/doctrine/2natures.htm

I suggest you start there to dig deeper into this topic. It is not going to be answered to your satisfaction in this Forum.

Answer 7

Many who believe sincerely that "God died for our sins" do not do so due to stupidity, but due to an incomplete knowledge of the Scriptures. They may focus on a misleading translation of ONE Scripture, and ignore all else.

For example, the most literal translation of Acts 20:38 might be:
"...the congregation of God, which he purchased with the blood of his own."


Now, trinitarianism insists that Jehovah God the Father and Jesus Christ the Son are the same person, so trinitarians also tend to insist that this verse be translated similar to "God purchased the congregation with the blood of his own SELF".

By contrast, Jehovah's Witnesses' "New World Translation" conspicuously notes its own guess at what is being referred to as 'God's own'; that translation thus reads "...the congregation of God, which he purchased with the blood of his own [Son]." The bracketed term ("[Son]") is unnecessary, however, since Jehovah God "owns" everything in heaven and earth then the blood of Jesus is also "God's own".


Of course, true bible students are interested in more than just ONE VERSE, so what does the totality of the bible has to teach about whose blood purchased the congregation?

(Galatians 3:13) Christ by purchase released us

(Hebrews 9:11,12) Christ came... not with the blood of goats and of young bulls, but with his own blood


What about the sacrificed person? Does the bible teach that the ransom sacrifice was God, or was Christ? Does the NWT phrasing ("his own Son") agree better with what the bible explicitly teaches regarding the ransom sacrifice?

(Romans 8:3,11) God, by sending HIS OWN SON in the likeness of sinful flesh... [God the Father] will also make your mortal bodies alive [caps added]

(Romans 8:31,32) God is for us, who will be against us? He who did not even spare HIS OWN SON but delivered him up for us all

(John 3:16,17) God loved the world so much that he gave his only-begotten Son... For God sent forth his Son

(Ephesians 1:3,6,7) Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ... [God] kindly conferred upon us by means of his loved one. By means of him we have the release by ransom through the blood of that one

(1 John 1:5,7) God is light... the blood of Jesus his Son cleanses us from all sin.


Incidentally, most of Christianity agrees that Christ's blood serves as a ransom. To whom is that ransom paid if not to God; could God pay a ransom to himself?

(Hebrews 9:14) the blood of the Christ, who ...offered himself without blemish to God

Answer 8

Because He loved and still loves His creation so much that He would not allow any division between him and us. So He made a way of escape. We can come to him at anytime confess and be reunited again. He made the greatest sacrifice with His son to show His Love to you and me. That one day we would be with Him

Answer 9

In fact, according to Christians, Jesus is alive and well - just not walking the Earth. Therefore, he never died

Answer 10

smart girl. good question, i dont get the Jesus is God christians either, i think they are waaaaaaaaaay off! I agree with gravitol on this.