Athiests: Okay, okay... then what do you think about this...?

Question

PROOF OF GOD- research this web site and get back to me...

http://www.godsciencemanifesto.com/pages/scientific_proof_god.html

Answer 1

You're going to be ridiculed again. They only acknowledge a scientist who agrees with them. Any scientist who disagrees with them is called a long list of things, starting with stupid, uninformed, etc.

Actually, there is a long list of scientists who believe in God, but when it comes to Y/A, you'd be better off doing what Jesus said to do when they will not listen - shake the dust of them from your sandals.

God bless.
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Answer 2

First time that I've heard the term "COSMIC ENERGY WEB", a quick web search ties it to to a lot of pseudo-science, wizardry and plain down right hoaxes.

Most of the "extremely odd coincidences" that supposedly are being discussed by many scientists (which ones? what journals? does this web site provide any references?) are manifestations of a stable system.

The assertion that life could only exist under any other conditions is not proved only asserted - this is a constant through out the article assertions are made and never proved. We know for instance that life can exist in many circumstances that we thought impossible in the past. The writer also assumes, in his amazing command of statistics, that the earth is the only body in the entire universe like it, or capable of sustaining life.

I'd rank this web page right up with pseudo scholarly works like "Holy Blood, Holy Grail". Sounds good, but has no real substance or proof behind it.

Answer 3

This link you provided seems to say that because things work, we are here. Then goes on to assume that things must work because of God. Making the final conclusion that we were made by God.

There are many problems with this and other statements made in the material provided. One glaring one is the assumption that life could not possibly exist if things were not exactly as they are now. Life may not exist AS WE KNOW IT, but the assertion that it is impossible for life to exist if the universe was not exactly as it is... Well for one it is ludicrous, unprovable, and completely biased.

The probability bit is funny to. If you try and look at the probability of an infinite being (Remember God is perfect and infinite) the odds against such a thing would be 1:infinity against. Which is to say impossible. It is easy to come to that number, because as all things must be infinite in the deity, all odds against those attributes occuring are also infinite. So there you go, probability like this article used just went on to prove conclusively that it is impossible for God to exist.

This article bases its assumptions on very speculative assumptions, flimsy science, and what looks like a glaring misunderstanding of some scientific principles in some areas.

Better luck next time.

Answer 4

At the end, it sums all the probabilities and says that this sum is zero. However, for each of the individual units, they admit that the probability is in fact not zero but a very small positive number. So basically, it's a really long page dedicated to a rounding error.

Answer 5

After your prior question with stating that evidence of Sin is Cancer and AIDS, etc. I have come to the conclusion that you are a terrible, horrible person who needs to be removed like a cancer. You are that type of Christian who walks into the children's hospital cancer ward and tells Mrs. Jane Doe that her 2 year old daughter is dying of cancer because she sinned against God. Have you no morals or anything else that could remotely make you a human? The answer is no. Please do not reproduce as the disease that you are should not be spread. Your God is obviously and evil being to have you as his spokesman.

Answer 6

You can not calculate probability backwards. It does not work. Because the world exists the probability of the world existing is unity or 1. People who present this argument should read up or take a course in probability theory. It is another false argument.

Realize that when the wave function collapse the other possibilities vanish and actually never were.

Answer 7

There is a HUGE difference between science and pseudo-science

What you have there is pseudo-science, a bunch of "facts" backed (once again) by nothing concrete. To impress any Atheist you will need empirical evidence.

A bit of advice - Don't try to use "science" or "facts" to prove your god exists, it makes you look silly. Just stick with telling people you need faith to believe. While that sounds silly, it sounds less silly than pseudo-science

Thanks for playing

P.S. To answer CMW - Take a poll onm how many scientists believe in god compared to those who don't. You will be outnumbered by about 10,000 to 1.

Most of the scientists who do agree with god and creationism have degrees from "bible universities"... go figure

Answer 8

From review of the first page, it looks like the typical christian apologist stuff that has been trotted out for decades, and thouroughly debunked by actual real scientists, not the pseudo-scientists who seem to have assembled that drivel.

You don't actually think I'm going to read the whole thing do you?

And what the hell is Dana Plato's picture there for? Bizarre website.

Answer 9

Sweetie, anyone can post a website and make things up.

A real reference has been subjected to peer review and would be published in a journal. Get back to us when this has happened.

Answer 10

The universe is complex and probably required a Creator. But which one? It seems that all cultures throughout human history have recognized the role of a Creator God.

The Creator defined by the North American Native Americans only asked that humans live in harmony with all nature. In exchange, the Creator provided plants and animals for humans to use as food, clothing, shelter, and medicine. Early Native Americans showed their respect and appreciation to the Creator by making small offerings of tobacco.

The Creator God defined by Hebrew scholars, 6000 years ago in the Middle East, was a jealous, and often cruel God. He demanded that humans make sacrifices of animal blood in order to appease Him, and set out Old Testament laws of behavior that often required the stoning-to-death of your neighbor for sins as minor as eating shell fish or working on the Sabbath. These laws remained in effect for over 4000 years until Emperor Constantine made Christianity the official religion of the Roman Empire and commissioned the first Bible from a collection of Hebrew scrolls and stories of Jesus. Religious scholars of today claim that the Old Testament God decided to change his original requirements for animal sacrifice and for stoning-your-neighbor-to-death for disobeying His written laws. This God, rather than having his human scribes re-write the laws on new scrolls, he decided to have His only Son sent to earth to be tortured and murdered.

I believe there is a Creator God. I just believe that his personality is more like the compassionate Creator God of the early Native Americans. If He turns out to be the cruel Middle Eastern God, and He throws me in Hell for thinking He is more loving than He really is, then I’m willing to accept with that fate.