Why do Christians claim that Jesus and God are one (literally) when the bible says?

Question

Joh 8:17 In your Law it is written that the testimony of two people is true.
Joh 8:18 I am the one who bears witness about myself, and the Father who sent me bears witness about me."
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God and Jesus are two separate things, that's why they are considered to be two witnesses not one.

Who gave you the authority to divide God?

Answer 1

The Nicene Council invented The Trinity in 325 AD and people choose to believe it. The writings of Jesus never say that he is God.

"I can of mine own self do NOTHING . . ." JOHN 5:30

So Jesus said to him, “Why do you call Me good? No one is good but One, that is, God. Mark 10:18

Answer 2

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Answer 3

John 1:1 and Col 4:4 say Jesus and Satan are a God but they do equal to the One creator.

1Cor 8 shows clearly the differences in Gods. Where there is one God the creator and one lord the son. They are not equal.

The Holy Spirit is not a God or even a person but the creator’s active force, which is described as "divine breath of life".

When Jesus received God's Holy Spirit as a dove it came from his father not from himself. Also he did not call it by a name rather said it is the holy sprit "of" God.

There are 4 different uses of the Holy Spirit in the bible. Ruach means "breath", neshamah that means "breath," phantasma, which means “phantom” and pneuma primarily, denotes ‘the wind’.

None of the 4 definitions refer to a separate intelligent being like the father or the son.

Answer 4

God gave himself the authority to divide god.

Who are you to mock God's word and his messenger, Jesus? Have you no fear of God?

I notice that you quote the Bible to prove that Muhammad is predicted by it, but then you assert that the Bible is corrupt and unreliable by trying to find fault with it. If the Bible is corrupt as you say, then how can it predict the coming of a true prophet? Wouldn't that have been taken out?

And if people were editing the Bible, then don't you think that they would have taken out all of the awkward passages which are hard to explain by now? We know how to read, and we have seen the same passages as you for the past 2000 years. The fact that these passages are still there is proof that no one wants to alter or change the word of God.

Answer 5

The Church of Jesus Christ Latter Day Saints, is a christian church and we do believe that God is a separate being from Jesus and the Holy Ghost is also a separate being but with out a body and is only in spirit form. We believe that the God head is those three working to help people become better with one goal or thought in mind

Answer 6

Huh? Since when did Christians claim that Jesus and God are one (literally)? We said that Jesus and God are one. In John 10:30 Jesus said in no uncertain terms that "I and the Father are one." I did not see any parenthesis that says "literally", did you?

The notes to the NET Bible says "The phrase is a significant assertion with trinitarian implications. It is neuter, not masculine, so the assertion is not that Jesus and the Father are one person, but one “thing.” Identity of the two persons is not what is asserted, but essential unity (unity of essence)."

And while the thumb is at John 10, don't the rest of the passage which reads from verse 31, "Once again the people picked up stones to kill him. Jesus said, "At my Father's direction I have done many good works. For which one are you going to stone me?" They replied, "We're stoning you not for any good work, but for blasphemy! You, a mere man, claim to be God."

Did you get that? The Jews knew that Jesus claimed to be God. Deny it all you want, but the Bible is clear that the Jews knew what Jesus was claiming to be.

Answer 7

I blame St Paul for corrupting Jesus' original teachings. He did it so he could control large numbers of people.
Jesus was the son of God, but then so was Adam.
Who was Adam's father? That's right, God. So everyone's a son of God. Jesus was a normal man, just like the other prophets.
Jesus called himself the Son of Man, saying agian that he's human and not a deity. Unfortunately many Christians are too ignorant to understand that and insist he's God on earth (similar to the Greeks and Romans before conversion, claiming some of their great heroes were sons of Zeus)
Jesus was no more of a god than you or me, just a great holy man.

Answer 8

There is no division in the Trinity.

God is not 1+1+1 God is 1x1x1

One Triune Godhead:Father,Son,Holy Spirit
Man is also triune:Body,Soul,Spirit 3=1

To illustrate further.

It is a well known fact in chemistry that plain water,when placed in a vacuum under 230 mm of gas pressure and at a temp of 0 degress cent.,solidifies into ice at the bottom of the container,remains liquid in the center and vaporizes at the top.At a given instant the same water is both solid,liquid,and gas,yet all 3 are manifestations of the same basic substance or nature;H20

Answer 9

John 10:30
1 John 5:7

Answer 10

You are right. Jesus is never recorded in the Bible as saying the exact words, “I am God.”

God is not shy to say I am God like in Isa 46:9 in the OT and if Jesus is God, then how come he never said it once like the God of the OT? The Bible makes the direct claim that Jesus is the Son of God.

Jesus claims to be the Messiah. The Bible says that Jesus is the Christ or Messiah the anointed One of God. Jesus offered Himself as a spotless lamb to God.

RCC Trinity teaches that there are 3 co-equal, co-eternal, co-existence, distinct Persons who share the nature of the one God.

RCC did not see God as a single undifferentiated being but the God who revealed Himself as tri-personal.

Does it say anywhere in the Bible that jesus has ever asked people to worship him as God?

Answer 11

Read Philippians 2:5-11. It explains the whole thing.

It is a doctrine called the Trinity. God manifest himself in three different realms. In the heavenly, He appears as the Father, and speaks to the spirit of man. In the physical he appeared as Jesus the Son, and interacted bodily with man. In the soul realm he appears as the Holy Spirit and dwells with the hearts of men. Three manifestations, one being.