do you think that it's wrong to use harsh techniques when attacked?

Question

If attacked on the street I feel that your own well being is #1. My old man was military, so I've been taught at a very young age that the whole point of fighting is to hurt the other person so badly that they cant hurt you. Would any of you see a problem with using techniques like spear hands to the eyes,chops to the throat and back of head and sides of neck, joint breaks arms legs ect, and last but not least kick um in the nuts!

I did not say anything about killing, I ment incapcitate. You do have to be careful with any attack in the neck region. My first lesson was do not fight unless you must, if it's just some petty BS get to stepping and walk off. But if you have no choice, fight like your life depends on it, because it very well may.

Answer 1

You need to be careful how you see things. Remember when your sitting in front of a jury for accidentally killing someone, they wont care that you were defending yourself, only that you used to much force "deadly force". I had a friend in the marines that came very very close to killing a man, it changed him dramatically because he was looking at some serious prison time if the guy died, he was given a chance because the guy lived, and he is totally the opposite of what he was, its funny seeing how he was just a few years ago, attitude and lots of it, he never pushed anyone to fight, but he didnt take crap from anyone Now he is so passive its funny......When you learn to defend yourself, be sure that you dont put yourself in a position that will get you put in jail.....Defending yourself is not wrong, but we are all susceptible to letting our emotions control us....This is a big issue for cops, they get caught up in the moment and take things to far, it happens, if you have enough determination to learn martial arts, you may also want to learn meditation.....Controlling the mind is as important as controlling the body!

Just be careful!

Answer 2

What I think a lot of people don't understand yet, when it comes to self defense, is that practicing self defense goes BEYOND the fighting and killing techniques that people are used to seeing. Practicing self defense is about taking the necessary precautions that could help avoid fights, or situations where you might have to fight someone. Practicing good self defense techniques include, but aren't limited to the following:
A) Being aware of your immediate surroundings
B) Knowing where it is safe to travel (IE- walking in a city)
C) Always know where you're going and at least have an idea of what the neighborhood is like.
D) Being prepared for anything that may happen

Most important from that list is A). Once you know you can avoid a fight, then you've already accomplished the first step in self defense.

The first lesson in self-defense that I ever learned was similar to your experience as well. "Fighting is used only as a last resort when using self-defense techniques" Usually, if a person wants to rob or mug you of your money/valuables, they'll leave you alone once they've got what they want. In this case, you can avoid fighting simply just by giving in to them. Now some people may have a problem with this, but self-defense isn't about keeping what valuables you may be carrying at the time; it's about keeping yourself safe and protected from harms way, and most importantly, ALIVE. If the contents of your wallet is worth more than your life, then you probably have something you shouldn't be carrying on your person to begin with. But I digress... One thing I like to do, is carry an extra wallet, filled maybe with a few bits of paper and $2 or $3. If a mugger wants your money, drop the fake wallet on the floor, and run. Don't even give them the chance of picking it up before taking off.

However, should you be forced to fight, and your life or the life of someone you care about is on the line, and fighting is the only option you have left, then any and all techniques are fair game. Doing what's necessary to save your life is one matter, but using excessive force to the point where you're brutally maiming your assailant is another. It's a very subjective debate when you're discussing what's "just enough" and what's "too much". Doing what's enough to keep the assailant from following and/or attacking you is what I would justify to be "enough". But then again, if you practice the techniques that I listed above, you shouldn't ever have to fight anyone at all.

Be safe, and take care.

Answer 3

Break bones, stop the fight asap. There is no other way. If you are pounding his face ijnto the floor while sitting on his chest, this is to much and not self defence, if he attacks you and u break his wrist in 3 secinds, then it is over cause he isn't going to keep comming like they do in the movies.

Break bones cause then they will not die, suffer extreme pain, stop attacking you and have plenty of time to think about what they were thinking when they attacked you.

But i would refrain from balling the poor guy, but it maybe for the best as we don't need that kind of seed around.

I learnt an important lesson from a freind of mine while sparring. I had thrown him down, got him in a joint lock and pinned him on the ground. HAHA I've got you now. Then he bit me hard on the hand.

AAAAAAAAA WHAT THE HELL YOU BIT ME!!!!, but he got away and was standing in no time. He got out of the hold by being a cheap ***. When it comes to it, teeth, nails, hair pulling, ball wrenching, what ever is nesisary to survive, It's all ok.

But if you are scrambling on the ground yelling and biting and scratching, then you had better learn some ma quick

Answer 4

I agree with you. But the operative word is you are being ATTACKED. That is to say someone is intent on doing harm on you and you're defending yourself after you've used all other reasonable options, including dialog, attempting to get help from other people to diffuse the situation, and attempting to simply walk away.
If you happen to get into a fight after the bar closes because a verbal dispute has escalated, I wouldn't call that an attack, although there are a lot of fans of this kind of fighting. My opinion then would be that this is a situation you caused (or at least did little to diffuse) and that in that case, you're responsible for the consequences of such foolhardiness.
Most juries, I suspect, would see it that way as well.

Answer 5

Its really dependant on how threatened I am. In eagle claw (as well as all martial arts should be taught) we are taught to see into are oponents intentions and how much of a threat they are and what their weak points are. If I think the guy wants to kill me I'd use the eye stabs and throat chops. If the guy is just fighting because hes being a dumass I would do my best to just use claws and joint locks as well as the non hidiously maming people techniques

PS bluto whatever the rest of his name is stole that saying from bushido

Answer 6

There are a lot of Techniques that stop attacks, But if forced You should use all the force needed to make an attack STOP. Now if there is more than one attacker, then break something on each of them. Here is our School Creed. I come to you with no weapons, only my empty hands. With a wish for peace, trust and mutual respect for all. I will always do my best to improve my, physical, mental and spritual focus everyday. But, if I'm ever forced to defend My Family or My honor, from anything that may compromise our safety or beliefs,Then GOD help You and Forgive Me for here are My weapons MY EMPTY HANDS. Amen

Answer 7

So long as you use it solely to get out of a bad situation. Sadly self defense can turn into assault charges real fast. Use your discretion and know when to back off. As for the dojo darlings who live by the mantra "It's better to be judged by twelve then carried by six" I say good luck because the next twelve will be twelve gangmembers raping you in the prison shower.

Not to make your dad a liar but there are differences between a fight in the schoolyard and combat in the jungles of `Nam. Differences that if you don't know them you'll be making license plates.
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Answer 8

It depends on the situation. If you and Jimmy get in a fight at school and you blind him and break his trachea then expect some SERIOUS repercussions.

If you are walking down the street and someone attack you with a weapon then HELL YEAH eye pokes. If that same person then cowers away and you kick them in the face and break them, you could also be in trouble.

It's about the force escalation continuum. You use the RIGHT amount of force, not necessarily the MOST.

Answer 9

Everyone has a right to defend themself. I have contemplated this question myself on many ocassions. If I were to be attacked I would not hold anything back. I would assume that the person attacking me knows just as much, if not more than I do.

You may have to articulate to the police why you used your MA training and skills against someone of lesser skills. Generally speaking, however, the law would recognize you as a fool if you did not defend yourself. Just because you are better skilled and better trained than your attacker doesn't automatically mean that you would be wrong to use what you know.

Answer 10

Well I think you're suppose to do whatever you have to. I would go straight for brutal knock out or break bones into two. That way it will leave them in really bad situtation and unable to fight at 100%

If I go to prison, oh well at least I'm not dead and have a hope of get away with a slap on wrist and will still be able to put my life back together. This isn't doable if I'm dead.