how does that work?

Question

last sunday my pastor was talking about homosexuality, and how wrong it is.. he said that the point of marraige in the beginning was to create, that homosexuals can't and those who do raise children raise other peoples children, then by what he has said make it wrong for couples who can't create to be together???

Answer 1

He was talking a pile of rubbish.

Answer 2

Your pastor is right! God clearly states within the Bible (His Word) 4 times that homosexuality is a sin. A man is not to lay with another man like he lays with a woman.

read Genesis 2:18; 1:27; 2:21-24; 19 God created Eve to be a suitable partner for Adam; the two sexes compliment each other and reflects God's inner unity; man and woman become 1 flesh
Leviticus 18:22; 20:13 Sodom is an abomination and will be cut off from His people
Romans 1:27 called unnatural, shameful and a perversity
1 Cor 6:9 active homosexuals won't inherit the kingdom of God
1 Timothy 1:9-10 those who engage in such acts are called sinners


Many people will hate my answer but I am only answering according to God's words. That's also why gays should not be allowed to marry (marriage is a vow made before God) and gay couples then should not about allowed to adopt children. God says NO, just because some people say YES doesn't make it okay. I'd rather listen to God and not man.

Answer 3

He's talking crap. If two people love each other then wheres the problem? Looking at some parents today i think that two gay people would make fantastic parents. And as for it being 'un-natural' how does that work? Homosexuality has been found to be present with primates such as chimpanzees, and it is fact that sexual desire, whether for someone of the same sex or for the opposite is caused by the neurological connections in the brain-what could possibly be more natural than nature itself? I am not gay myself, but i believe that religions are outdated with society and either need to be updated or scrapped.

Answer 4

There is actually some people in Washington DC that want to pass a bill that states that if you don't produce children within 3 years of being married, your marriage will be annulled.

If you ask me whoever says that is just wrong!! For people who adopt they're not raising other peoples children, they're raising their own children.

I don't think that it's wrong for two people who love each other to be together, regardless if they have children or not.

Answer 5

Ask your pastor this:

What does he think that God would prefer: A married, straight couple who have 4 or 5 kids that they don't give a toss about or a gay couple who adopt one child that they worship and adore?

And don't let him say words to the effect of it not being that simple. Yes it is, in terms of good and bad behaviour towards children. See if he can answer you on that level alone.

Answer 6

Why then was he talking about that subject?
Why address that subject?
The homosexual people are the way they are.
Why should I want to listen to anyone talk about them?
I am not interested.

Is it because they have to have something for Sunday to say to the people?

How about, who you are?
How about how much power you have.
How about not talking about things that you have no control over?
You will never have any control over.
It as if you are participating in an exercise of futility.
If it comes up for a Governmental vote, you may have some say. Not until then.

Answer 7

Creating children is a function of marriage but perhaps not the basis of marriage. Genesistically speaking, the point of marriage is to bring together man and wife so that they can be one. (complete) Our own social studies are starting to confirm how devestating it is for a child to not have a father or mother growing up but when they have both, they are much better off!

Answer 8

I wonder how many realize that marriage isn't some Christian invention.

If Christians don't want to be or marry homosexuals then they shouldn't do so. If they don't think infertile people have a right to marry, then don't do it. Forcing their beliefs onto others, however, is just wrong.

Many state governments are beginning to realize that they have no right to dictate such things and are allowing homosexuals to marry.

Answer 9

You don't have to be married to create,you don't have to be gay to raise children. Tell your pastor that his Jesus does not judge why should he. Love is what raises good and happy children,if we are capable of giving love then give it no matter if you are straight or gay.

Answer 10

your pastor chooses to translate the bible the way he sees it,and their is not much you can ,or should want to do about that.
Christianity should enhance a persons significance and not deny it,regardless of their age race colour religoun or lack of religioun,and sexuality.
It is wrong to deny your brothers or sisters significance.
my heart and soul are constantly crying out "leave each other alone,and let them be"
why cant man leave man alone,and live and let live.
If your pastor sat withme and my six children and nine grandchildren he would be educated about the bible,and christianity

Answer 11

To break down his argument as you present it here:
Premise 1: The original purpose of marriage was to create (children)
Premise 2: Homosexual couples cannot (without the intervention of medical technology and the genetic material of a third person) create
Premise 3: Homosexual couples who raise children obtained through adoption, sperm banks or surrogate mothers are raising other people's children and not their own

Hidden Premise: The only purpose of marriage is to create children
Hidden Conclusion: therefore a relationship that does not is worthless.

There are two issues that must be dealt with here. The first is to address the purpose of marriage, particularly as it relates to the raising of children. The second is homosexuality.

On Marriage, let's start at the beginning. The first thing that God says about the man in Genesis 2 is an observation of his neediness. Literally translated, it is "the man's being alone is no good" (Gen2:18) So to remedy this problem, God created woman. The word that is often translated as "helper" or "helpmate" is "ezer". "Helper" is a poor translation in this culture because the term has become watered down to the point where a helper is viewed as a simple, inferior person incapable of doing anything on their own, a perpetual child (think "mommy's little helper"). However the word in Hebrew is a strong title, and it is used of God Himself several times throughout the Old Testament.
It is true that the first command given to Adam and Eve was to "Be fruitful and multiply" meaning, have kids. However the rest of the Bible expands on the definition of marriage and the sexual relationship in it. The Song of Solomon is a beautiful poem depicting the sheer delight of married lovers enjoying each other not in the quest to bear children, but just for the pleasure God has given them through each other. The New Testament expands on the idea and purpose of marriage even further, using it as an illustration of the relationship between Jesus Christ and the church (not the building around the corner, but the collection of believers from all time throughout the whole world). The idea here is one of sacrificial love and pure delight, not simple breeding. That being said, I still believe that a married couple has the greatest POTENTIAL of building a healthy home in which to raise a child (whether that child is born of them or adopted). There are plenty of unhealthy families out there with a married man and woman, and there are plenty of households run by unmarried heterosexual or homosexual couples or single parents that at least on the physical front are safe for children, as they are not abused, they are fed, clothed and loved. However, if faced with two healthy homes, the first of a married couple and the second of a homosexual couple, a child would be better off in the home of the heterosexual couple, experiencing the equal but different loves of a mother and a father.

In centering his argument around children, he has avoided the main issue as presented in Scripture. The Bible does not say "Don't be a homosexual, because you won't be able to make children and they are after all the most important thing that can come out of a relationship". Whenever homosexuality is addressed, it is addressed as a behavior or an act that takes something good, that was given as a gift by God, and distorts it, robbing it of its value. This is what every morally sinful act can be boiled down to.

The Bible does not view homosexuality as a label for people. It is dealt with as a behavior. It is not a "special" sin. Sin is sin. There are many more references to heterosexual sins in the Bible than there are to homosexual acts. It is very clear on both issues. To feel a desire for someone of the same sex is not sin. That is called "temptation". In the same way, to feel a desire for someone of the opposite sex who is not your spouse is not sin, it is a temptation. The behaviors that follow these temptations are the important thing. If I see a man (not my husband) who is physically or emotionally attractive and I continue to think about him for days, weeks, months, etc. thinking more about him than about my husband, and start comparing him to my husband, then I have fallen into the sin of lust. If I take it even further, and build an intimate relationship with this man, then I have committed adultery. However, if I notice him and think to myself "He's a really great guy" or I notice that he is good looking and I praise God for the beauty of His creation and then leave it at that, I have done nothing wrong.

Different people are prone to different temptations. That is just the way we are. Everyone struggles with something. For some it is a sexual temptation (of the same or opposite sex, or even both), for others, it is the temptation to gain power, wealth, health, intelligence, fame, etc. Sometimes we mature out of our temptations, but then different ones come into our lives. It is more important to have an intimate relationship with God as our loving, devoted, affectionate Father through the work of His Son, Jesus, accepting the gift He has offered than to have stopped a particular sinful behavior and look perfect. The more time I spend with God and grow in my relationship with Him, the more I notice that my temptations are easier to say "no" to.