Doesn't it appear equally impossible that something always existed as it does for nothing to ever be real?

Question

Absolutely Nothing is impossible to imagine, and yet something simply always being without a beginning, without end,cause or creator seems utterly unimaginable. Yet that is what we must admit. Something has existed forever, and yet how can a universe or anything exist without a viewer? in addition if more than one thing has always existed, differentiated from one another , how can that be? It seems to me we must accept that and that is no harder than accepting a self existent being. In fact a self existent being versus non being has more explanantory power.

Greeny,
I dont think you understood me perfectly.Of course the universe exists and so that means something exists but when examined from the point of view of necessity it seems that there can be none as we know it and the atheism appears absurd.

Answer 1

Once again you are trying to place limits on what is possible by reference to what you are capable of imagining. You do not have a strong imagination, however, so your universe is a very narrow one.

Personally I think Something came out of Nothing. Can you prove me wrong?

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Answer 2

It's all in the definitions. If you define everything correctly, it all makes sense. You are using the case of sensory preception being necessary to existance. What do you say to the deaf and the blind? The universe still exists for them.

As for something out of nothing, that takes a bit more sophisticated reasoning to explain.

Beginning with the definition of time as a ratio of distance to rate, then as distance, which we will also call space, diminishes then space and matter become identical. Since matter is just a form of energy, then all that is left is energy, which, in its primorial form is called the mono-block, is created. The universe is thus revealed as matter located in a greatly expanded space. Which, in objective reality, is exactly the case.

Answer 3

That is a very astute observation, What verifies this observation is the existence of living and non living things in life as it exists now in the real world. There has been no satisfactory explanation for the existence of consciousness, intelligence, or what the mind is. Especially how this came into being from non living matter.

Answer 4

>Doesn't it appear equally impossible that something always existed as it does for nothing to ever be real?

No. In fact, assuming the universe is logical the former can be and probably is true, while the latter cannot be true.

Answer 5

Time logically had to have a beginning factor, in any different case it would be eternity. If God created the universe, then logically, He had to be outdoors of the dimesnion of time. If he's outdoors of time, how ought to He have a beginning factor? it rather is baswed on the two good judgment, and astronomy (a study finished on the huge bang thought). the universe exists interior of a ray of time, with an preliminary beginning factor and persevering with on. For all all of us understand, time could be a line phase, the place because it is going to provide up. no longer something created itself. via fact the romans stated: "Ex nihilo nihil extra healthful" (no longer something comes from no longer something).

Answer 6

life in motion does not stand still. travelers we are all. we come, we see, we make repair, and we rebuild for the next travelers to arrive, they too will do as we, they will tear down and start again to build the city we all travel toward to return again on the given day.

Answer 7

We have imagined what we see as real. Being of spirit it only makes sense that we created what we call reality and what we imagine. We might be in this world but we are not of it..........

Answer 8

John 17:11 And now I am no more in the world, but these are in the world, ... thou hast given me: for thou lovedst me before the foundation of the world. ...
10 For the sake of Christ, then, I am content with weaknesses, insults, hardships, ... 4 even as he chose us in him before the foundation of the world, ...
If you read your bible it states that God knew us before the foundation of the world as well as he chose us (those who belong to him vs those who belong to the anti christ). Every thing that is manifested in the physical had a spiritual beginning first.
Think of it this way: You are married, your wife becomes pregnant. The babys soul/spirit which was not in that physical enity until God released it into being. (Some babies are born dead so there was no release of a soul), would be one example I could give as well as something you don't see (the conception of the child) you believe by faith that one day, you will actually have the manifestation of your seed (the child). That it will actually be a child and not a monkey, a fish ect but a child. For like produces after like.
Here is another example by something I found on the e net:
However, we – TJ, Dain, Elissa, and Hillary – like many other Christians have had to re-examine our beliefs religiously and scientifically based on the evidence from the two disciplines. God is the maker of heaven and earth. The exact processes by which God managed are a mystery to us and may always remain as such. Science can allow us to guess as to how God created, but we cannot be certain. Nevertheless, God is the reason we exist as we do. God is the reason we are intelligent beings that are capable of exploring our universe. Our universe is one that cannot be fully understood, despite our best efforts to do so. We do not, and cannot, know everything about the universe and how it works.
Bearing this in mind, we need to work on reconciling the challenges faced by science and religion in a meaningful way. Oftentimes creeds are historically bound by the language used or by failing to connect the creed to today’s cultural context and potential scientific challenges. We do not wish to re-write the Nicene Creed, per se, but to look at what the first section implies about our understanding of God, Creation, and our place in it all.

We believe in one God,
the Father, the Almighty,
maker of heaven and earth,
of all that is,
seen and unseen.

We believe in one God, the Father, the Almighty…
This statement emphasizes first the integrity and centrality of “one God” despite the complexities of the Trinity. There is unity between Father, Son, and Holy Ghost – Creator, Redeemer, and Sustainer. “Almighty” attests to the boundless nature of God being able to embody all. God exists without limits that even human minds blessed with the most intellect cannot escape. And yet God gives hints of God’s Being throughout creation in the relationships and significant interconnections of the smallest quark to the most average human to the remotest star.

Maker of heaven and earth…
God, Maker of everything, speaks reality into actuality and upholds it in every instant. God is Igniter of the Big Bang, who from nothing formed substance, laws, and forces which over time turned dust to stars to dust to earth to life to human life to dust. God is Writer of human imagination and logic, Engineer of the heart’s chambers and Catalyst for the mind’s neurons. God is Breather of wind, water and fire, Turner of cycles and Grower of fragile lichen and mighty trees. God is Divider of cells and Determiner of genes.
God, as a triune being, is the Epitome of relationship that holds it all together, entirely distinct and yet entirely united. As “Maker,” God has intention and purpose in what is brought about. God is actively and creatively involved today, constantly persuading and inspiring creation toward new possibilities. God is Teacher of humans, helping us learn and desiring for us to interact harmoniously and make our own choices.

Of all that is, seen and unseen…
This statement can be understood in a myriad of ways. In a physical sense, God makes everything in nature that is easily visible to the human eye and everything that is either too small or to enormous for humans to gain a complete look. So much of what God has made and is making is yet unseen. God made time and gravity. God made all that can be explained or described by science, and all that defies scientific understanding.
God is God of people around us everyday and the God of people past and yet to come. God is God of the places we are supported by the places we have been and supporting the places we have yet to be. God is in the good we see unfolding before us in our daily lives and in the good in which we play a part but will not see realized in our lifetime.

The following reflections resulted from a discussion held in a small group discussion about the importance of the comma. The idea was proposed and expanded upon by Dain Swanson.

We believe in one God,
the Father, the Almighty,
maker of heaven and earth,
of all that is,
seen and unseen.

A simple statement of faith really. God, Heaven, Earth, it wraps it all up in a nice little package. It is so simple that I am sure that anyone in the Christian tradition knows it by heart. Read it again. We believe in one God, the Father, the Almighty, maker of heaven and earth, of all that is, seen and unseen. It even flows a little like poetry. We don't want it to be boring now do we. Read it one more time. We believe in one God the Father the Almighty maker of heaven and earth of all that is seen and unseen. Notice anything different? Same words, same spelling, same punctuation? The commas were no longer there. Was it different? The answer: YES!