Did Satan rebel?

Question

The traditional idea that Satan was an angel who willfully rebelled against God and was cast out of heaven for doing so is unbiblical. It is not found in the Bible, and that is not the image of Satan that IS presented in the Bible. It was a later invention of the Christian church.

So if the Bible says one thing, and tradition says another, which should we hold to?

And it's well-known to anyone who has actually read all of Isaiah 14, and not just ripped one or two verses out of context, that those "proof-texts" are referring to a human figure, specifically the ruler of Babylon. The text itself makes this clear! Look at 14:4, see that the poem is directly addressing the king of Babylon whom God will overthrow!

And while it may be true that its absence from the Bible is not in itself enough to discredit it, the fact that it is also CONTRARY to what the Bible teaches does mean we have to jettison it.

Jesus' vision in Luke 10 describes what he saw as a direct result of the missionary work of his disciples. It in no way describes something that happened at the beginning of time. So unless you are postulating that Satan didn't rebel until sometime in Jesus' ministry, that verse is moot.

Ezekiel 28: 12-18 is directed towards the king of Tyre, and it's not God discussing Satan's rebellion but rather on that king's wickedness. That's it. Claiming they reference Satan is circular logic.

The war in Revelation 12:7 occurs AFTER the woman clothed with the sun (v. 1) gives birth to Christ (v.5). So once again, we see that the only timeframe possibly allowed for this alleged rebellion is AFTER Christ is born.

Answer 1

Satan spends a lot of time helping God if he rebelled. Just an observation.

Answer 2

: Satan’s fall from heaven is described in Isaiah 14:12-14 and Ezekiel 28:12-18. While these two passages are referring specifically to the king of Babylon and the King of Tyre, they also reference the spiritual power that was behind those kings - Satan. In regards to when Satan fell, these passages describe why Satan fell, but they do not specifically say when the fall occurred. What we do know is this: the angels were created before the earth (Job 38:4-7). Satan fell before he tempted Adam and Eve in the Garden (Genesis 3:1-14). Satan’s fall, therefore, must have occurred somewhere after the time the angels were created and before he tempted Adam and Eve in the Garden of Eden.
Satan fell because of pride. He desired to be God, not to be a servant of God. Notice the many "I will..." statements in Isaiah 14:12-15. Ezekiel 28:12-15 describes Satan as an exceedingly beautiful angel. Satan was the highest of all angels, the most beautiful of all of God's creations. Satan was not content in his position. Instead, Satan desired to be God, to essentially "kick God off His throne" and take over the rule of the universe. Satan wanted to be God, and interestingly enough, that is what Satan tempted Adam and Eve with in the Garden of Eden (Genesis 3:1-5)

Answer 3

It appears in the later jewish writings that seem to be products of the Manichean Heretics about the first century c.e. The Manichians were the first ones where the Idea of a powerful evil spirit equal to God appears. Before them Satan was a servant of God and only able to do as God allowed. (Refer to the story of Job for this claim.)

Those who are quoting Isaiah as evidence of Satan's rebellion should read the whole thing. Isaiah is talking about the fall of the Babylonian Empire and of the Babylonian King. Not about Satan.

The story of the rebellion of the Angels and the war in Heaven are a major feature of the Mormon Religion. If you have something referring to one third of the Angels being banished, or one third of them being souls on Earth then it is almost certainly Mormon.
I think it is in the books of Abraham and Enoch in the Book of Mormon. The Mormons believed that the Angels who followed Satan are not allowed bodies and so they try and possess ours. Their version of demonic possession.

Answer 4

Amazing. Ever read this?
Luk 10:18 And he said unto them, I beheld Satan as lightning fall from heaven
Isa 14:12 How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! [how] art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!
Isa 14:13 For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God: I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north:
Isa 14:14 I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the most High.
Isa 14:15 Yet thou shalt be brought down to hell, to the sides of the pit.
Isa 14:16 They that see thee shall narrowly look upon thee, [and] consider thee, [saying, Is] this the man that made the earth to tremble, that did shake kingdoms;

If people who comment on the Bible would read it through just once it would be a great help.
Shalom.

Answer 5

Isa..14:12 How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning * ! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!

14:13 For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God: I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north:

14:14 I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the most High.

14:15 Yet thou shalt be brought down to hell, to the sides of the pit.

Answer 6

Read truth :
2 Cor 11 (satan an angel of "light")
Rev 18-22
1 John 3
John 8,12-13,16
Gen 1-4
2Cor 2,4,
Jude
Eph 6
Luke 8,22
Luke16:15-20
Matt 4,25 (vs 41 Jesus said).
Acts 5,26
Romans16
James
Job
Isaiah 14
What other scriptures?

Answer 7

No, he claimed to be more powerful than God.

the closest scripture I could find on it is Revelations 12

There is no denying that Satan is the fallen angel Lucifer. If he had not already fallen, then Jesus would not be able to make all of the references that he did about the devil. It had already happened.

Answer 8

Jesus said unto them... "I beheld Satan as lightening fall from Heaven." Luke 10:18 Satan was knocked out of Heaven so fast it was as if lightening had flashed.

It's obvious that your not really that interested in an answer.Your mind was made up before you asked.

Answer 9

the element is ,the Bible don`t look to supply any sparkling and explicite answer to this question.all of us understand on the subject of the reality that the sin of devil could be immediately appropriate to delight(could say although,that throughout accordance to a pair texts of the Apocrypha,the 1st sin of devil and the fallen angels could have been the lust that they expressed in direction of the 1st people-making it even tougher to agree wether devil replaced into solid out of heaven in the previous of after the fall of human sort) .the undertaking is,if God is omniscient,then He could have foreseen the insurrection of devil from all eternity,and yet He nevertheless chosen to create him.yet another element,if God is all Love,how could He have created a creature that could doubtlessly convey hatred and chaos into something of the introduction?people will answer,yet there is unfastened will.i could say ,definite,yet while God is all Love,then,there could be honestly no reason by any potential why you may deprive himself of such bliss....there is a few thing approximately devil`s insurrection that in simple terms doen`t make sense,or the two could compromise the belief of a all loving and omniscient God.

Answer 10

Just because its not in the bible doesn't mean there is no scriptor about it..lots of scriptor didn't make the cut...the rest of the story is something that people have to work for.