Suppose creation is true and evolution is false?

Question

Hypothetically, if it were proved one day that Darwinian evolution was completely wrong, and that the Biblical account of creation is true. Here are the problems:

1. You have to arrive at the bizarre conclusion that God is obsessed with beetles. Why? Because there are more than 250,000 different known types of beetle, more varieties than any other species; in fact, one in 4 of all species is some kind of beetle.

2. You also have to accept that God deliberately designed and created such horrifying creatures as the killer bee, the black widow spider, the velociraptor, the AIDS virus and other nightmares of nature. ALSO, He gave some creatures spines and claws, and others shields and armour to protect them from the ones he gave the spines and claws to!!! Others he carefully created with an array of poisons and camoflage!

What on earth is he playing at? Darwinian evolution explains all of these completely, in fact it pretty much requires the existance of these creatures.

Okay, okay, the black widow is a stretch. Is the brown recluse more to your liking?

Answer 1

Biology is the least of the problems you'd run into.

The biblical story of creation states that there are is no sun, no moon, no planets, and no stars other than as lights in the firmament so Astronomy is out the window and the space program is a lie.

Geology is wrong because it clearly shows a much older Earth than the bible.

Physics would need to be rethought.

Paleontology is, of course, out the window but so is Archeology because not only the fossil record but the human record goes back beyond the time of biblical creation.

A total mess.

P.S. LineDancer's choice of animals is interesting since the bible makes clear that it considers bats to be a type of bird.

Answer 2

I'm sure in the beginning there were not 250,000 kinds of beetles, just like there were not all the different breeds of dogs, horse, cats, birds etc... Even the plant life. Some of been bred to make a different breed by man through out the years.

The animals were created to get along with man. Man was perfect. It was not until after the flood that man could use the animals as food and the animals also could use each other as food. This was not Gods original purpose for man and animals (insects). As Gen. 9: 1 - 4 says "And God went on to bless Noah and his sons and to say to them: "Be fruitful and become many and fill the earth. And a fear of you and a terror of you will continue upon every living creature of the heavens, upon everything that goes moving on the ground, and upon all the fishes of the sea. Into your hand they are now given. Every moving animal that is alive may serve as food for you. As in the case of green vegetation, I do give it all to you. Only flesh with its soul - it's blood - you must not eat."

Isaiah promises a time when things will go back to there original purpose. "And the wolf will actually reside for a while with the male lamb, and with the kid the leopard itself will lie down, and the calf and the maned young lion and the well-fed animal all together, and mere boy will be leader over them. And the cow and the bear themselves will feed; together their young ones will lie down. And even the lion will eat straw just like the bull. And the sucking child will certainly play upon the hole of the cobra, and upon the light aperture of a poisonous snake will a weaned child actually put his own hand. They will not do any harm or cause any ruin in all my holy mountain, because the earth will certainly be filled with the knowledge of Jehovah as the waters are covering the very sea." Isaiah 11: 6-9

I believe the bible examples it very well.

Answer 3

I hate to play the devil's advocate here, but I don't think evolution explains the AIDS virus very well. Unless there is something that tends to happen to cull the human herd from the Earth.

But, the thing is, I don't need to have the AIDS virus explained. I am adult enough to understand that sometimes, bad things happen. Sometimes, bad things just are.

The attempt to ascribe all natural phenomena (hurricanes, viruses, broken legs, etc) to some sort of deity smacks of primitivism to me. "God will send tornadoes and hurricanes to Disney World if they don't cancel their Gay Day" said Pat Robertson. This did not happen. What did happen that year, though, was a rash of hurricanes and tornadoes that swept the coast and the Bible belt. If Pat Robertson believes that hurricanes and tornadoes are, indeed, the indication of an angry God, then God must be really angry at the believers in the Bible belt. Because the Bible belt gets hit with more tornadoes than any other part of the country. Churches get demolished just as much as shopping centers and trailer parks do.

To look at the wind, or a virus, as being some sort of divine punishment makes no more sense than looking at an erupting volcano and exclaiming, "The volcano God is angry!" To vilify gay people for going to Disney World, or to say that AIDS is God's punishment on 'evil homosexuals' makes no more sense than tossing virgins into a volcano. Besides, if AIDS is God's punishment to gay people, then is Sickle Cell Anemia God's punishment to Black people?

Answer 4

What are the odds that, of the millions of species of animals, birds, fish and insects, a male of each species developed at the same time and in the same place as a female of the same species, so that the species could propagate? - 100% This is not foreordained in the evolutionary framework. - Really? I must have missed your PhD dissertation on that. If the first generation of mating species didn’t have parents, how did the mating pair get to that point? I - In typical fundie fashion you think everything just magically appeared exactly as you need them to be and do not consider that everything progesses from one point to another. Isn’t evolution supposed to progress when an offspring of a mating pair has a beneficial mutation? - Yes, Your point? A species would have to jump from a primitive form to a fully developed male and female, each with the ability and instinct to mate. - Only for an ignorant fundie. try reading something other than fundie captions. When asked if divorce was permissible, Jesus said: - Actually he didn't say, some one 100 years after the fact said he said it.

Answer 5

The problem with Darwin's Theory it that the link to humans has not been established. therefore it remains a theory, in other words it hasn't been proved. There are close to 100K species that can't be linked in Darwin's theory. So one must assume some bizarre hypothetical species existed, that can't be found to make his theory sound. If those species are found his theory would become the law of evolution and would no longer be a theory.

Answer 6

That was one of the problems Darwin himself had. He studied these bugs that laid their eggs in a catepillar then the larvae killed the catepillar from the inside out. Watching one of these caterpillars die, writhing, he said he didn't believe a just or good god would intentionally create a creature just to do such a terrible thing.

This is why not all Christians are creationists. Many of them see evolution as a tool or creation of their deity, since it allows for mistakes and ideas like intelligent design and creationism means that the Abrahamic god created evil things on purpose.

The capricious god of Creationism/Intelligent Design is not the god of all Christians, just a scary subset.

(Hey, he's not my god, but that doesn't mean I want to see his followers lumped in, you know?)

Answer 7

well, if one day, we speak to God and one of us asks Him: "so, God, hod did you make everything?" and God answers : "well, just the way i said in the Bible, not with evolution". Everyone who believed in evolution will say "oh, okay then guess we were wrong" and every one who believed in Creationalism will say "hehe, told ya."
Then they will all just be there and think...good, now THAT is solved.... what now? And the answer is, nothing now, fighting over how we were made is pointless. God is so pwerful that he could have just thought us, and we would have been. Why do we expect an explantaion from God, does He owe us one?

To tell you the truth, it does not matter how we got here, how we were made......that God made us and how we live is what is important. How He made is will not make one diff in our little lives.

Answer 8

What the heck is so horrifying about a black widow spider? There's not one reported case in history of anyone dying from a black widow spider bite.
Otherwise, you present a decent case.

Answer 9

I believe GOD does love beetles, most creature are given a defense and attack mechanism, all darwyne explains is his own thoughts about what happened, you might want to look at the years darwyne lived; are there any transcripts written about his hypothesis around two thousand years old? no. has there been a DARWINIAN debate that has lasted for over oh say two thousand years? no.
Long before your buddy darwyne there was GOD, debate about GOD, books about GOD, and then there is JESUS who was also around long before darwyne, had many books written about him that are around oh two thousand years.
so even if you hate the Christian GOD in all three Forms it is hard to believe that you would ignore all of the information surrounding creation and rely on one eccentric human account. narrow minded?

Answer 10

I believe in a hybrid of Creationism and Evolution:

Allah created everything (creation) and over the course of the millenia, He tweaked things different ways to create diversity and to improve upon His designs (evolution)