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Big Bang? God? Something else?

2007-02-22 14:00:16 · 16 answers · asked by Jim K 2 in Society & Culture Religion & Spirituality

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I believe it was Stephen Hawking that wrote a treatise called "Not a Bang, but a Bubble". In it, using new findings from Hubble, that the Big Bang cannot be substantiated, and that the cosmos started as a perfect bubble then decomposed.
Scientists used to think the cosmos was eternal. New findings now show that it had a beginning. Today they struggle with "what wound the clock?" So, latest findings say that the cosmos did not begin with a bang, but an act. When? Don't know. Who? Depends.
Now, did life begin from a primordial soup? Hoyle proved this to be impossible with math (see below). DNA shows complex design. So is it Intelligent Design? Oooh, I can hear the thumbs-down buttons clicking from here.

My take...

For me, math has to be the deciding factor. Mathematical probability, as given by Hoyle, states that the chances of life to spontaneously evolve out of a primordial soup is one in 10 to the 40,000 power. Now scientists agree that anything beyond one in 10 to the 50th power is consider an impossibility. So imagine adding 39,950 more zeros onto those odds!

Can we use math in the proof of God? Actually, yes we can. God has provided the proof through prophecy. No other "holy book" can provide prophecy beside the Bible. This traces its origin to be outside of our physical time domain. It reads in Isaiah 41:22-23,

"Let them bring forth and show us what will happen; let them show the former things, what they were, that we may consider them, and know the latter end of them; or declare to us things to come. Show the things that are to come hereafter, that we may know that you are gods; yes, do good or do evil, that we may be dismayed and see it together."

So, let's look at this mathematically. Dr. Peter Stoner, in an analysis that was carefully reviewed and pronounced to be sound by the American Scientific Affiliation, states that the probability of just eight prophecies being fulfilled in just one person is 1 in 10 to the 17th power. However, Jesus fuflilled 300 specific prophecies. A few of which I have documented here...
http://www.schneblin.com/studies/pdfs/in...

So, mathematically, the odds are in overwhelming favor of the Creator God written in the pages of the Bible rather than in the overwhelming odds against evolution.

http://www.beyondbelief.com/news17_deity_yl.spl

So, my answer? Mathematically, the odds sway highly in the favor of a Creator. There is too much design in even the most simple bacteria.

2007-02-22 14:04:03 · answer #1 · answered by Anonymous · 1 2

Big Bang has nothing to do with the beginning of life.

Abiogenesis describes the beginning of life, and it's still a young science.

To put it bluntly: We don't know for certain yet, we've got some good ideas though and we're working on them. You'll have to wait.

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In reference to Hoyle's estimates -- Hoyle's estimate is flawed because it presumes a bunch of absolutely independant atoms spontaneously came together to form a fully functional cell.

No scientist believes this happened. This is not incremental.

Abiogenesis is an incremental process.

Nor does science rule out any level of statistics as 'impossible'. It is extremely unlikely that enough protons in my body would spontaneously decay in such a way that I'd explode from the release of subatomic energy. The odds of this are far greater than 10 ^ 40,000. However... it remains possible because the odds are not perfectly 0.

2007-02-22 14:04:17 · answer #2 · answered by Anonymous · 1 0

Well life isn't covered in the Big Bang theory at all. And god is imaginary.

The answer is that no one knows the whole way that life started. Science has put together most of the chemistry. But we haven't put it all together yet. That doesn't mean that it was magic, it just means we don't know. Give it a little time. 150 years ago we didn't even know about bacteria, so we have come along way.

2007-02-22 14:06:52 · answer #3 · answered by Anonymous · 2 0

Science doesn't yet know. People who say "God must have done it, because there is no other explanation", know even less than science knows, and aren't even able to see through their logical fallacies. Those who take this path will *never* know, even after science finally does know, because their world view will not let them accept truth if it does not fit their preconceived notions of god.

I expect that Science will know the answer sooner than most people think. Scientific knowledge is growing on a clear exponential curve. We are doubling the amount of scientific knowledge now in about a decade. Given what we already know, and the rate that we are acquiring new knowledge, the odds are very good that there will be several radical breakthroughs in knowledge in our lifetimes.

2007-02-22 14:21:06 · answer #4 · answered by Jim L 5 · 0 0

After we find the references to creation in the Qur’an, then we can piece them together to get a picture of how Allah’s revelation explains the beginning. As Muslims, however, we must not forget to look into the lesson taught in each passage. We must remember what the purpose is for including these signs in the Qur’an so we can be enlightened spiritually as well as mentally.

Allah begins by stating that the universe and planet Earth took six "days" to create. (7:54) Now it must be remembered that in Arabic the word Youm can mean a day as we know it, or it can mean any stage or period of time. As Allah points out, a day to him can be a thousand years, fifty thousand years or more. 1

The creation of planets and the Earth took place in the last two periods of time. As Allah states in the Qur’an, "Declare, ‘Do you disbelieve in the One Who created the Earth in two stages? Do you make others equal to Him? He is the Lord of all the worlds.’" (41:9)

The process of creation can be summarized as follows: All matter in the universe was compacted together in one place. Then Allah gave the command and it blew apart scattering molecules and gases in all directions. ("The Big Bang.") The force of this initial explosion keeps the universe expanding.

Space was filled with matter, anti-matter and gases which eventually combined into larger particles. These bits of matter eventually grew into asteroids, planets, stars and moons. Each object of inter-stellar space conformed to a set of physical laws which governed the trajectory of their orbits so a regular pattern of rotation could be seen. (21:33, 29:61)

Stars ignited in a fury of radioactive fusion and gave off light and heat which brought warmth to those planets near them. (86:3) Small moons were captured in the orbit of larger planets and came to have a regular orbit around them, often reflecting light from the sun. (54:1-2)

Finally, the planets themselves developed and formed in a variety of ways with fantastic geologic formations and movements both above and below the surface. (27:61)

The planet Earth, in particular, cooled near its outer layers, forming a thin crust made up of plates that moved and grated against each other. (15:19) This allowed the Earth’s surface to constantly erase the damage caused by occasional asteroid impacts. But the colliding of the plates also had the side effect of raising tall mountains and exposing the geologic history of the planet.

Escaping gases from the ground and water, warmed in the sunlight, eventually raised to a high altitude where they formed a protective layer. This Ozone Layer shielded out harmful radiation and ultraviolet rays from the sun.

After a time, life was to appear but that is the subject of the next lesson. For now, it is amazing that this scientific narrative is almost exactly the same as what Allah revealed in the Qur’an. Look at the following illustrations showing what happened, what Allah said about it, and the ayat from which they come.

You will be amazed and can only proclaim your wonder at Allah’s Revelation. Remember, He mentioned these things to teach us to be believers in Him. If He tells us the truth, we would be fools not to believe in Him. Right?

"Don’t they see anything in the functioning of space and the Earth and in all things Allah created?" (7:185)

2007-02-22 15:22:50 · answer #5 · answered by BeHappy 5 · 0 0

Only God could have done it as the bible describes. Take that as a solid guide it makes life easier for you, because the other approaches fail statistically. Imagine coming up with a male and female at the same time.

2007-02-22 14:09:19 · answer #6 · answered by rapturefuture 7 · 0 1

Life began when God created all things. Read Genesis.

2007-02-22 14:22:07 · answer #7 · answered by Anonymous · 0 0

live is evil backwards, ahh hell clones are living tissue inseminated as Kyton said, it purposes the question rather is when human beings are human and not just the cells they are made up of, Charles Manson complained that the Judge and jury of his trail ate meat and therefore where as guilty of murder as he was, however true, the jury proved his point and the judge symbolically murdered him with the death penalty, which he barely escaped from. Ethics is a question based on the herd of conformity, what behavior is acceptable to the race is always based on whim. So basing it on my whim, clones are life.

2016-05-24 00:49:48 · answer #8 · answered by Anonymous · 0 0

Life began when nucleic acids found their way into a lipid membrane.

2007-02-22 14:06:21 · answer #9 · answered by Anonymous · 1 0

Jim: The first law of Bio Science is: Life MUST come from life.
Therefore; anything material -physical had to have a life in existence to conceive it.

2007-02-22 14:08:52 · answer #10 · answered by guraqt2me 7 · 0 3

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