He created us with the ability to sin, that cannot be denied. If He created us perfect, then we would not have sinned even after He gave us free will, because perfect beings do not have the ability to sin.
So then, our sin is His doing, therefore not our fault. Don't we deserve to be saved by the power of His omnipotence?
Or does He just not love us?
PS: Please be clear that the basis of my debate here is that if we sinned, that means we had the power to sin inside us all along and therefore we could never have been perfect, because a perfect being is free from the ability to sin.... I can't emphasise this enough.
2007-02-22 10:11:08 · 22 answers · asked by God Fears Me 3 in Society & Culture ➔ Religion & Spirituality
Either he's evil or he does not exist. I pick #2.
2007-02-22 10:14:36 · answer #1 · answered by Anonymous · 0⤊ 1⤋
again, another person who doesn't top to think logically....
Sin was not God's doing. Sin is a bi-product of free will. You can't have a free moral will without the ability to choose between right and wrong.
Adam and Eve may not have been perfect compared to God, but God said Himself "it is good". God made also with the ability to obey Him, not so? Having the ability to follow desires is not flaw....
and He did use His omnipotence to save us and will in the future. Just look at Christ's death. Also, once this world is done away with, sin is completely gone.
get all the facts before you question God's love and power...
2007-02-22 10:19:11 · answer #2 · answered by Hey, Ray 6 · 1⤊ 0⤋
Before we look at God's "responsibility" to save everyone, we have to go back to your presumption that God is the author of sin. And you've propositioned this on equating "perfect" with "inability to sin".
Man was created with the ability to keep the law of God. This ability does not imply an inability to sin, which would make God the author of that sin when Adam did eat of the fruit of the tree. In that sense, God did not create perfection -- another "God" -- when he created Adam. Neither did God create evil or infuse sin into Adam. He created a Man capable of obedience, who, tempted by the devil, robbed himself and his descendents of any future ability to keep that law.
2007-02-23 11:12:25 · answer #3 · answered by ccrider 7 · 0⤊ 0⤋
"Jacob have I loved but Esau have I hated" - Bible
Those who are saved (rescued) have their names written in the book of life from the foundation of the world.
God commands us to love all people, but God does not love all people. Then we will be changed on Judgement day and we will want perfect justice as God demands perfect justice. Then we will be one with Christ.
Also the quote from John 3:16 "for God so loved the world..." notice it says "world" it does not mean "every and all people who have ever lived on this earth". God created the world and saw that it was good. The world is the context wherein the believers are cultivated, God says there will be people saved out of every nation, that is the world talked about here. Note for instance in the Crow Indian language 'Yaweh' is traditionally used in song as the name of God. Note also Byzantine was populated by Arabs, and Byzantine was Christian, and there are even some Christian Arabs today. So there have been believers throughout the world. Some Egyptians went with Israel in the Exodus.
I know I haven't answered all of the questions but these are important considerations in view of the questions you raise. May you find truth.
2007-02-22 10:30:14 · answer #4 · answered by David L 4 · 2⤊ 0⤋
God did create Adam and Eve perfect. He created them in His likeness which, means that they had ability to choose to disobey God not. They were not robots. They chose disobedience which took away their innocence and showed them what sin was. They chose to know what sin was even though God didn't want them to know. Their disobedience gave them the power or ability to sin.
Adam and Eve disobeyed God. We inherited their sin nature. When we are born, we are born sinful. God made a perfect and free provision to bring us back to Him. To fellowship with Him, because of his loving grace which, is His only begotten Son, Jesus.
Jesus, being God and being perfect, even though He was tempted in every way to sin, did not sin. He is called the second Adam in the Bible. 1 Corinthians 15:45. Jesus, is the blood sacrifice that God provided for us to take our place for the punishment for our sins. That is love.
God made it so that when we accept Jesus as our Lord and Savior and turn away from sin (repent) , we are declared perfect again. Justified (just as if I had never sinned).
2007-02-22 11:08:26 · answer #5 · answered by 4HIM- Christians love 7 · 0⤊ 0⤋
Our first parents had the capacity for both good and evil, and so do we. God's love for us is not implied, it is expressed.
If God took away the power of choice (not free will) how would that be loving? It would not be loving, but manipulative and controlling. Do you enjoy being manipulated and controlled?
He created us with the ability to choose, and we have used the power of choice to sin. Do not make God the author of sin.
If He "saved" us, but did not purge our sins, He would be admitting sin into Heaven, rewarding sin.
2007-02-22 10:23:49 · answer #6 · answered by Anonymous · 1⤊ 0⤋
God does not interfere with humans BECAUSE he gave us free-will...this is the difference between the Angels and the Humans.
We were never meant to be perfect. But we were meant to follow the teachings of His son and to continue His teachings. If you do, then there aren't that many sins.
Concerning sinning....that is what "confession" is for.
Never mind the fact that the 'Last Rites' forgives you all your sins.
Anything else not quite clear?
2007-02-22 10:22:06 · answer #7 · answered by Nibbles 5 · 0⤊ 0⤋
perfect being do have the ability to sin look at Satan the devil he sinned Adam and eve they sinned. the fact of the matter is that we have a choice we are in this situation because of them and on day it will be corrected but to give you an ex of why we are all imperfect : I you have a pan an you get a dent in it whatever you bake is going to have a dent in it the same with us we were born to imperfect parents so we are going to have imperfections. we must learn what we can do to live our lives in harmony with gods will. you should check out the website below it will definitely guide you in the right direction.
2007-02-26 09:05:56 · answer #8 · answered by Ms. fly gurl 2 · 0⤊ 0⤋
Imagine: You are seeing a pretty girl walking down the street...you admire her and all of a sudden you are blind. "What happened?" you think. Oh that was God protecting you from looking at that girl with lust.
Imagine: You have a child. Your child is starving and nobody will give you food and you have no money. You see a woman loading up 100 boxes of formula into her car and then walks away out of sight. You go to steal 1 box for your baby and your hands fall off.
Just a couple of possabilities if we didnt have free will. Think of life like a video game. Whats better...to play the game fair and square, or have your friend play it for you using all the cheat codes. Or better yet...imagine this friend didnt give you a choice...he just grabbed the controller and started playing for you. Then i suppose you would say..."If God truly loves us all...why doesnt he let us live our own lives."
2007-02-22 10:20:51 · answer #9 · answered by Anonymous · 1⤊ 0⤋
We were created perfect with free will. Adam and Eve chose to sin, and sin entered the world along with death and sickness. Yes we can be saved. And to be saved one must seek forgiveness from the Lord, and those we have sinned against, repent, and turn from sin. We must accept and confess that Jesus Christ is our Lord and Savior and died and resurrected, and gave us the gift of salvation. We all fall short of the glory of God.
2007-02-22 10:18:20 · answer #10 · answered by tebone0315 7 · 1⤊ 0⤋
perhaps getting close to god is a moving state that helps guide u through the learning process of life not a fixed point, dynamic instead of static. I was a creature before i could stand. I have seen perfect people corrupted
2007-02-22 10:20:29 · answer #11 · answered by michaelwonkeller 2 · 0⤊ 0⤋