and please dont waste my time with the response "its god's time, and one of those days could have been millions of our years"
... if the bible can mean anything anyone wants it to mean, then it means nothing at all ...
2007-02-22 08:58:59 · 11 answers · asked by Anonymous in Society & Culture ➔ Religion & Spirituality
indirectly several of you make my point, but remember-*there is no right, nor wrong, but thinking makes it so. Mine is a quest for understanding. I think if you believe in something it is absolutely true for you. I'm not asking anyone to "prove" the bible, you can't. And, to me, it seems people get so lost in these learned religious ideals and they've lost touch with common sense. if I only had a dime for every Christian who takes the bible literally. And the truth is it takes a very open minded person to look at science and all of the religions and accept them for all they are. What I know is this, we all find our own truths inside ourselves. After all, what the bleep do we know :). And me? if I had to put my trust in a spiritual leader, it would have to be the dali-lama, who has never tried to pass himself off as a deity, just as a teacher of the dao, or "the way"
interestingly to me, religion seems to hold people back from enlightenment, and maybe thats what I don't understand ...
2007-02-26 05:06:39 · update #1
No, and we have scientific proof.
2007-02-22 09:02:15 · answer #1 · answered by Justsyd 7 · 0⤊ 0⤋
Wow, amazing how ornery people get when Creationism is mentioned.
The problem that most people have with creationism is age of the universe (earth included). I mean, aside from the fact that most people don't believe in a creator God.
Let's look at this from a few viewpoints shall we?
First Theory - Literal 6 Day
This is your general run of the mill evangelical point of view. This view is usually represented by undereducated students in biology class who stand up and make a scene by saying " I don't believe in that." A little insight for those people; if you're gonna stand up, know what you're frickin talking about.
From a scientific standpoint, the 6-day does not work by itself as found in the first few chapters of Genesis. Most people quit there and go, "oh, take it by faith!" BULL! Know what the flip you represent. The literal 6-Day DOES WORK OUT SCIENTIFICALLY WHEN YOU READ ON! And I just lost half my readers.
Anyone ever read about the flood? It nearly completely explains everything (like literally) about the aging of earth, dinosaurs (which would fit on the ark...anyone ever watched Jurassic Park and seen where dino babies come from?), missing links (look a few chapters before and find the cross-breeds), and pangea.
If you are wondering about an ice age, learn a little about atmospheric pressure and what would happen to our climate if we had a water layer in the sky and it was ripped back down to earth by seismic activity as a result from the tail of a comet whippin our moon's face. The age of the Universe can be accounted for in that on more than one occasion it is stated that God "stretched" out the heavens (meaning anything you can see from earth). Anyone who knows anything about quantum physics would tell you what stretching matter of that magnitude at that rate of speed (meaning everything in the universe in one day) would do to the age of the matter and energy. Everything farther out would be older than everything closer to the center. The Big Bang folks weren't too far off with that. To bad they didn't read all of their Bible. Oh and the Grand Canyon? Well go take a hose outside and turn it on. Face it towards the ground at point blank. Have fun.
Theory Two - Gap-Theory
This one is a whopper. In an attempt to sound more "educated," some pastors started preaching that since a day was a thousand years to God, than each day must represent some indefinate amount of time.
Here's the problem:
Plants and land were taken care of on Day 3. Stars (meaning the sun too) did not come into play until the next day. How the crap are these evolving plants going to photosynthesis when there's no sun. Now some would say, "Oh, but God made the sun on the first day when He made light." Nooo, it didn't say that He made Sol. It says He made light. That light would happen to be the light that is mentioned quite often by Hebrew scribes as the Shakina Glory in the Midrash Raba. Again, a little reading here and there helps.
Theory 3 - Evolutionary
It works...for a while. It sounds nice, but the math doesn't end up in the end. For instance, if it was seriously that millions of years ago when life first started, well then it better have been able to live in sub arctic tempuratures. The sun would have been too small to support life. No one really mentions that part in my college text books. Or that they have yet to find a missing link that is actually a missing link. One of them was a messed up pig skull for crying out loud.
Dude, all I can say is do some research. It helps.
2007-02-22 09:31:54 · answer #2 · answered by Jared F 2 · 0⤊ 0⤋
if one wants to take the creation story as absolutely literal, then it's more like 6000 years. However, just about every commentator on Genesis 1, for as far back as any commentaries are extant (further as these commentaries often reference others that aren't), the universal opinion is that Genesis 1 CANNOT and SHOULD NOT be taken literally.
Thus, it is only a problem for literalists.
2007-02-22 09:04:12 · answer #3 · answered by mzJakes 7 · 0⤊ 1⤋
... if the bible can mean anything anyone wants it to mean, then it means nothing at all ...
I'd say, if you understand the words wrong, and correct your understanding, then it means only one thing, and the people translated it wrong... The bible was never meant to be used as a literal book with no commentary.. that being said, I say, no, 5000 years, 7 literal days, no.
2007-02-23 02:29:23 · answer #4 · answered by XX 6 · 0⤊ 1⤋
No, the world was created 6000 years ago in 6 days.
2007-02-22 09:03:07 · answer #5 · answered by Anonymous · 1⤊ 0⤋
Is plate tech- tonics just ignored here? This stuff didn't just occure last week. Sure I know carbin-dating is a little flawed but is do you think it's really that far off?
2007-02-22 09:18:58 · answer #6 · answered by lawolifer 3 · 0⤊ 1⤋
No. It was 6000 years and six days acording to legends invented by bronze age midle eastern goat herders.
2007-02-22 09:04:36 · answer #7 · answered by Anonymous · 0⤊ 1⤋
No.
Genesis 1.3-5
And God said, Let there be light: and there was light. And God saw the light, that [it was] good: and God divided the light from the darkness. And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first day.
"And God said, Let there be light: and there was light."
In this text, "light" is actually the sun (which is what it actually is - light).
"and God divided the light from the darkness. And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. "
To "divide" means to distinguish, differentiate, name, identify. Thus, "and God distinguished the light from the darkness."
To distinguish the light from the darkness (or to differentiate the side of the earth that faces the sun from the side of the earth that faces away from the sun), God named the side of the earth that faces the sun "Day", and the side of the earth that faces away from the sun "Night".
"And the evening and the morning were the first day."
This is a description of the planet's first 24-hour rotation.
Individuals confuse God's time with terrestial time. God's time is relative to the speed of light (because God consists as light). The text in the Book of Genesis is literal terrestrial time; not an analogy to God's time. So Adam did live to be over 900 years old (after the fall).
It is proven that time slows down when you approach the speed of light, If you were to move AT the speed of light, time would cease. Because God IS Light, God exists outside of time. To give man a comprehension of how God measures time from His perspective, 24-hours in God's time is the equivalent of 1,000 years in man's time.
Psalm 90.1-4
[[A Prayer of Moses the man of God.]] Lord, thou hast been our dwelling place in all generations. Before the mountains were brought forth, or ever thou hadst formed the earth and the world, even from everlasting to everlasting, thou [art] God. Thou turnest man to destruction; and sayest, Return, ye children of men. For a thousand years in thy sight [are but] as yesterday when it is past, and [as] a watch in the night.
2 Peter 3.8
But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day [is] with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.
If you were capable of becoming light, and moved today at the speed of light for 24-hours, when you stopped, it would be the year 3007. More literally, If you were capable of becoming light, and moved today at the speed of light for 100 SECONDS, when you stopped, it would be approximately 100 hours from now.
What you call science, is nothing but the study of the expression of God's thinking.
Athiests don't believe that God exists but instead believe that the universe was created from a singularity - a primeval atom the size of a marble that fits in your hand.
If God does not exist, and nothing existed before the Big Bang, what caused it?
Nothing, because the Big Bang never happened, God does exist and God created the universe.
As for creation...
According to the Big Bang theory, scientists assume that the universe began as a singularity the size of a marble that fits in your hand.
How is it possible to fit the ENTIRE universe in a marble?
The Big Bang theory suggests that the origin of the universe began as a singularity - a primeval atom. If the universe actually did begin as a primeval atom, where did it come from? And if the primeval atom did exist as a singularity, how is the Big Bang mathematically possible if 1+0=1?
Which means that if the primeval atom exists as a singularity and there is nothing else to add to it, then shouldn't the universe still exist as a primeval atom according to this mathematical principle?
And if such a primeval atom exploded the universe into existence, how could it consist in the first place if it existed as a singular instability? - which means that the singularity was unstable and blew up (if this is the case, how long was it stable and what caused the instability if it existed as a singularity and there was nothing else there to unbalance it)?
To learn to look at things differently is to see things clearly.
The universe is a non-linear construct from The Infinite. The universe has a beginning but it has no end...
More explicitly...
God caused all existence to altogether consist simultaneously at once...thus, the universe is a non-linear construct from The Infinite.
How is this possible? Simple... E=mc2 (The conversion of light energy into matter).
ALL MATTER CONSISTS OF ENERGY.
Where does this energy come from? A primeval atom the size of a marble? Do you REALLY think that is physically possible?
If E=mc2 is the conversion of light energy into matter, and all matter consists of energy...then all matter originally consisted as light.
Where did this energy come from? Light.
If energy came from light...and GOD IS LIGHT...all energy came from God!
If God is Light...and Light is energy...
What does God consist of?
E...N...E...R...G...Y...
E=mc2
If God says, "I am the beginning" God is saying, "I am the raw material from which all existence consists." Thus, God Himself is the Light from which all matter is formed...
God is E=mc2
Genesis 1.1
In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.
"In the beginning" means "From Eternity"
If Eternity has no beginning nor end, and God has no beginning nor end, God is Eternity.
Genesis 1.1
In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.
When was the heaven created? In the beginning.
When was the earth created? In the beginning.
So if BOTH the heaven AND the earth were created in the beginning, the heaven and the earth were BOTH created simultaneously!
THUS, THE HEAVEN AND THE EARTH ARE THE SAME AGE!
So the earth IS over 65,000,000, years old!
Genesis 1.1
In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.
If "In the beginning" means "from Eternity", and God IS Eternity, AND GOD IS THE BEGINNING, "In the beginning" means "In God". So Genesis 1.1 actually says, "In God, God created the heaven and the earth".
Why didn't Genesis 1.1 say "At the beginning God created the heaven and the earth" as if related to time like "At 1:00"? Because "In the beginning" is "from Eternity" where there is no time. AND "In the beginning" is BOTH a moment AND a location.
How? God is Omnipresent. NOTHING can exist OUTSIDE OF GOD, thus everything exists WITHIN God. SO, "IN the beginning" is actually "WITHIN the beginning"; which is actually "WITHIN God, The Beginning".
Thus,
Genesis 1.1
In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.
or
Within, God The Beginning, God created the heaven and the earth.
God is Spirit. Angels are "spirit" beings. God created angels from Himself.
The same way God formed angels from Himself, so formed He existence...
With one thought.
God has no beginning. He has no "first thought" as if He had a beginning. God's infinite knowledge itself is one thought.
Omniscience is infinite knowledge as one thought.
Omnificence is unlimited creative power.
Omnipotence is infinite power.
Omnipresence is infinity itself.
Put them together, what do you get?
Unlimited creative power applied to infinite knowledge that is expressed everywhere at once with a single act of infinite power!
Or
God creating existence from Himself with one thought!
E=mc2
Genesis 1.1
In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.
or
Within, God The Beginning, God created the heaven and the earth.
or
Within, God The Beginning, God formed from Himself, Existence, with one thought - causing all existence to altogether consist simultaneously at once.
Thus, the universe is a non-linear construct from The Infinite - God Himself. The universe has a beginning but it has no end.
Which is why the background of the stars is black.
To learn to look at things differently is to see things clearly.
Existence itself is created from God's physical existence. Yes God does physically exist, He is just physically different.
How do I know all this, simple...
I asked God this question...
What are you made of?
His answer...
Energy.
And that was the beginning of my instruction directly from the Creator...
2007-02-22 09:31:23 · answer #8 · answered by Q 6 · 1⤊ 0⤋
no its a christian fairy tale it comes from there joke book
2007-02-22 09:03:39 · answer #9 · answered by Anonymous · 0⤊ 1⤋
Yes...and the world is flat too (please note obvious sarcasm)
2007-02-22 09:18:14 · answer #10 · answered by apples_ll_apples 4 · 1⤊ 0⤋