Does this basically summarize the Christian salvation message?

Question

Supposedly there is a god that wants you to acknowledge and serve it.

However because of original sin humans are not worthy to be subservient to this god. Therefore if things remain unchanged god will torture you forever.

In order to fix this problem god decided to torture his son for a few hours by arranging to have him killed by crucifixion and then raised from the dead.

Since god has had his bloodlust sated he is now willing to not torture you forever provided you recognize that Jesus was tortured in your place. If you do this you get to spend all eternity bowed down groveling before this supposed god.

B) Would it make a good tract?

Answer 1

That about summarizes the highlights of the central theme.But you left out that in order to appease this God you must behave with a self righteous attitude and tell everyone how they are sinners that are going to Hell if they don't change their ways and even if they accept this Jesus fellow they still must not do anything that they interpret from their book as a sin.Because, apparently, even if you accept this Jesus dude, you still must appease this God person and they gladly will tell you how to do that in order to get a few extra points for good behavior.

Answer 2

Pretty bad theology, but you do make a good point. Not at all what I believe though. Point by point:

- I don't worship a God that has "want" of anything.
- Humans not worthy to be subservient? They don't even know how to. That's what original sin does, it destroys the ability to look to God at all.
- And Adam propagated original sin, no one is worthy of heaven. If things remained unchanged, God would be fully justified in destroying everyone of us. And we would have nothing to say about it.
- God "fixed the problem" when he did not have to. I'll call that love.
- Bloodlust? How about atonement? Remember, the wages of sin is death, it's what we deserve. God's own son took our place, I call that love too.
- Provided that we recognize Jesus? We go back to original sin, we can't recognize him, the Holy Spirit must act in our hearts. We don't have the capability to save ourselves.
- If you do this? No, it's the Holy Spirit working in our hearts, not our own works. We can lay claim to nothing, salvation belongs to God, not man.
- All eternity bowed down groveling? I can live with that, considering what he has done for me!
- Supposed? Beats anything that the philosophical world has to offer.

- I think what I've said would make a good tract, but Calvinism bumps up against Arminian beliefs and might not be as profitable for the companies producing these leaflets.

Answer 3

No, that doesnt covered, first of all, God doesnt kill you for no fulfilling the commandments, because he has always, always, been merciful. The point of jesus, was to teach you how to go on the path of the commandments. He died because of his own sin, and that its no sacrifice, much people on life have suffered that or more, the real sacrifice jesus did, was to be studying, and studying, no girls, no beer, no nothing, during 30 years to become as wise as he did, thats more sacrifice than a cross.

So, the point of being save by him, its no simply recognizing his death, its by following his teachings.
Second, God never changes, and neither his word, so if he make an oath, that will be forever, there is no that God made a mistake and then he send his son to fix it.
I dont know what else but if you have any comments, email me and we can argue and ill persuade you of the truly path of God.

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Answer 4

First of all let's start looking at who really did the crucifying of Jesus.....God may have known this would have happened , but the lesson was to really show that selfish, greedy, people tortured an innocent, loving man.....and how it could keep going on and on if we the people don't change.....and it is still going on and on and on, isn't it? and we would prob crucify him again and again if he were here now, wouldn't we? atheist or religious...we would torture the innocent for saying the what we didn't want to hear, now wouldn't we? It's going on today all around the world...this is the point God would be making, if there is a God......

Answer 5

First of all my God is personal, not to be referred to as an "it". God wishes fellowship with His creations, not subservience. God doesn't torture the non-believers, He just doesn't accept them into His Kingdom. He sent His son to experience all the temptations man experiences, all the letdowns, tragedies, and evil in the world. Jesus showed we could follow God's plan, man killed and tortured Jesus not God. True, He knew the fate of Jesus, but it was neccesary for Him to be sacrificed so we as sinful people can have the debt for our sin paid. In other words, He loves us so much He gives up His son's life so we can have fellowship with Him by accepting this act, this gift. Twisting around the words doesn't make you right. You are just justifying your own warped thinking. Hope I've helped clarify it for you.

Answer 6

No. You have serious errors in many parts. try this. The Almighty YHVH set up a system. He sent His “Son” YAHOSHUA to die for the sins of mankind so they would not have to. (They could choose to, but did not have to). Any person who chooses not to allow Yahoshua to take care of their sins, chooses to remain attached to their sins. They thus will wind up in the lake of fire which is YHVH’s method of cleaning this world, and eliminating sin and sinners. The Creator set aside the Seventh day for rest and worship. Yes that is the day usually called “Saturday”. We are not saved by obedience, we are saved by faith. However we are saved FOR obedience. As He said in John 14:15 (and in many other places) “If you love me, keep my commandments.

Churchianity is a pagan religion. The only thing that will change a person is the indwelling savior Yahoshua. Obviously that is rare in this sinful world.

Answer 7

I'd rather bow down in eternity serving God than burning in Hell for eternity (now make that one into a tract)

Answer 8

Actually the plan is for you to stop killing yourself with sin. Sin can annihilate you from existence because life has laws, if you don't obey, you die. Worship is only a a sign of gratitude. God doesn't torture you, that's the devils's lie from eden saying that when you die you don't really die. Hate to break the news to you, but when you're dead...YOUR're REALLY DEAD! If you were grateful to life, you get it back and resurrect.

Answer 9

Nope...but it does basically summarize the ramblings someone who wants to portray Christianity in a negative light.

You took a bunch of concepts from the Bible, bastardized them, misstated them, all for your own purpose...which is what people on both sides of the Christian debate have done for years.

Answer 10

God does not like the suffering. He warned us how to not suffer but, we don't listen. Why do you blame God for what we do? Adam did the same thing. When questioned why he did what he did he not only blamed it on the woman but then he said "The woman made me do it, THE WOMAN YOU GAVE ME"