Jesus did not die but was replaced by a double and that he was raised up to heaven.
Questions:
1. What is the double's name, background or anything you could tell about him?
2. How he was convinced to replace Jesus? Look, the disciples were with Jesus all the time, spiritual trained and taught about the truth, yet in the end scrambled to safety, got scared to be identified with him. Then there was this guy who came out from nowhere and made to agree to replace Jesus?
3. How the double got away from people who recognized Jesus.
4. Do you believe God Himself would be involved in grand deception to fool those people?
5. If you are willing to die for your faith why would Jesus be any exception?
You may not like the way I ask but you probably understand it is an opportunity to explain this to a fool/moron/stupid about your faith so he could be wise like you.
2007-02-21 18:56:37 · 10 answers · asked by Anonymous in Society & Culture ➔ Religion & Spirituality
By_Ay_Me, Hi.
(Ezekiel 18:20) I am not a Christian by definition. That's why I can say this:
(Ezekiel 18:20) Does not apply to Jesus because nowhere in the Bible as far as I know this and possibly in Quran that a soul was never applied to Jesus. It's always been Jesus' spirit or the spirit of Jesus. In fact there's a verse where he was called the living spirit and not the living soul. Spirit is not a soul and vice versa. Am I right on this one?
2007-02-21 22:34:43 · update #1
zebtaur, I don't buy it. Understanding are open for everyone who truly seeks it.
2007-02-22 07:02:03 · update #2
Sura 4:157 implies that Allah put someone else on the cross in Jesus's place and made him look like Jesus so even His mother Mary didn't notice the difference. Allah was involved in this deception. But the death and ressurrection of Christ was the foundation of the Christian church. If those two events had not happened there would be no christian church today. Was Allah responsible for the christian church. Then Islam must be wrong because Islam contradicts christianity.
This is one reason why I don't think Islam is a true revelation of God. . Islam and Christianity disagree drastically. They both say they are coming from God. They can't both be true, not if they disagree. One of them has to be wrong. They disagree in many, many places. Let's just take one of those disagreements. As I said before, Christianity says that Jesus Christ died 2000 years ago on a cross and that's written in their Holy book, the Bible which they say is coming from God. Islam says Jesus Christ did not die on a cross 2000 years ago and that's written in their Holy book the Koran(which they also say is coming from God). My question is, what actually happened 2000 years ago? You can't have it both ways. Either he did die on a cross or he didn't die on a cross. If he did then Islam is not a true revelation from God because Islam says he didn't die on a cross and it says that's coming fromGod(can God be wrong?). If he didn't die on a cross than christianity is wrong. Why should I believe Mohammad who came much later(600 years later) over the apostles and writers of the New Testament who were either eye witnesses or they got it from eye witnesses(regardless, all of them lived during that time period). Also, the church fathers and early scholars of the church all testified that he died on a cross. Even extra biblical historians such as Tacitus, Suetonius, Pliny the younger, Josephus, Thallus and other historians who lived during that time period have testified that Jesus died on a cross. Actually, the only historians that you'll ever find anywhere(religious or secular) who will say that Jesus didn't die on a cross are Muslim historians. If i'm reading an eye witness account of a speech that Richard the lion-hearted gave in about 1190AD and you come up to me and say "no, that's not what he said.....let me tell you what he really said". My answer to you is going to be "why should I believe you over him....he was an eye witness.........you came along 900 years later".
2007-02-21 19:24:09 · answer #1 · answered by upsman 5 · 1⤊ 1⤋
Lets take at the actual verse:
That they said (in boast), "We killed Christ Jesus the son of Mary, the Messenger of Allah";- but they killed him not, nor crucified him, but so it was made to appear to them, and those who differ therein are full of doubts, with no (certain) knowledge, but only conjecture to follow, for of a surety they killed him not:[Quran 4:157]
It does not say anywhere that Jesus (pbuh) was replaced by another man. This is just a theory , probably spurning from the Gospel of Barnabas.
However the Quran does not argue that the people didn't see a crucifixtion. It says it was made to appear so, this does not have to mean that Jesus (pbuh) was replaced by another man.
Why would Jesus have to die? As the Bible says:
The soul who sins is the one who will die. The son will not share the guilt of the father, nor will the father share the guilt of the son. The righteousness of the righteous man will be credited to him, and the wickedness of the wicked will be charged against him.
(Ezekiel 18:20)
Therefore Jesus did not die for our sins because there was no original sin and everyone is responsible for thier own actions.
The Bible itself is full of contradictions relating to the Crucifixtion for example:
When Jesus said “My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me?” in what language did he speak?
(a) Hebrew: the words are “Eli, Eli . . . “ (Matthew 27:46).
(b) Aramaic: the words are “Eloi, Eloi . . . “ (Mark 15:34).
This example might seem oety but remember this is supposed to be the word of God how can God contradict himself?
If you want to prove the Quran false it gives you a falsification test:
Say: "If the whole of mankind and Jinns were to gather together to produce the like of this Qur'an, they could not produce the like thereof, even if they backed up each other with help and support.[Quran17:88]
If you can do that any Muslims will conced that this is not the word of God. This challenge has been there for 1400 years which many have tried but failed to do
2007-02-22 04:32:28 · answer #2 · answered by By Any Means Necessary 5 · 0⤊ 0⤋
His Double Name was Judie's the same person who sold him to the Romans,
background closest friend ( Back Stabber for a friend )
God has the ability to do anything especially deception to fool those people,
at the same time what goes around comes around, anyone who stabbers you in the back will be stabbed,
Point number 01, he had no choice / option the replacement will suffer for what he did ( snitching ).
2007-02-22 04:05:35 · answer #3 · answered by khaled 2 · 1⤊ 0⤋
Because Allah wanted to save Isa A.S(maybe you call Him Jesus), the person who tried to kill him suddenly turned to be his double and got crusified (by another stupid mob who also tried to get Him) cause by his stupidity to kill Allah's Prophet.
No name, it suddenly happened, with the power of Allah the Almighty.
Is that clear, how high Isa A.S ranked in the heart of Muslim.
2007-02-22 03:24:56 · answer #4 · answered by Anonymous · 0⤊ 0⤋
you will not understand it because God dont want you to understand it
ordinary mind are not made for big things
your fourth question has it all what do you think God cannot do
believe it or not it was done to decieve them out of a statergy.Infact he will come back again to make peolpe believe in what they dont
2007-02-22 03:58:32 · answer #5 · answered by Anonymous · 1⤊ 0⤋
the double was sent down by Allah, not being asked to be a double by Jesus or anyone else
2007-02-22 03:10:37 · answer #6 · answered by farina m 4 · 1⤊ 0⤋
Have you ever heard of miracles of God?
Can anybody find logic in the ocean parting of Moise, that's miracle, something hard to conceive.
2007-02-22 03:16:26 · answer #7 · answered by byefareed 5 · 1⤊ 0⤋
You forgot the double must have appeared to everyone after. Doesn't make much sense.
2007-02-22 03:00:23 · answer #8 · answered by great gig in the sky 7 · 0⤊ 1⤋
Interesting points. This further illustrates how absurd Islam really is.
2007-02-22 03:00:26 · answer #9 · answered by C J 6 · 0⤊ 4⤋
Look up the "Ebionites."
2007-02-22 02:59:31 · answer #10 · answered by NONAME 7 · 0⤊ 2⤋