please help me out on this...i'm on another debate again...:(?

Question

the proposal was to open the priesthood in the Catholic church to women...i happen to be on the negative side, that it is i refute this proposal because of god knows what i'll say..lol
i don't get this statement in an article published by this website http://www.catholic.com/library/Women_and_the_Priesthood.asp though..

"The Fathers rejected women's ordination, not because it was incompatible with Christian culture, but because it was incompatible with Christian faith. "

what then is the difference between christian culture and christian faith? if you do have answers please do tell me and anything about refuting the proposal that the church be open to women priesthood...thanks a lot!

Answer 1

Good question. The "Catholic culture" is so broad. However what that means in general is the "Catholic Spanish" and the "Catholic Africans", "Catholic Asians" and each of those cultures are allowed to integrate their culture into their faith. Such as different types of liturgical music, in Spanin, allowing a different Liturgical color (blue), that is all fine and well and is accepted practice when it does not go against the Faith. Then there is the Catholic faith. Which is all the dogmas, doctrines, the Magestrium; Truth. It remains steadfast, solid and is the same everywhere.

Hope this helps!
Here are some links for you to review:
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http://www.lifesite.net/ldn/2005/aug/05081106.html

Answer 2

Ordaining women and recognizing that there is no difference in the "spirit" of men and of women is the first step toward a more equal Roman Church that can actually enter the present century. It will eradicate the lack of priests that Rome now suffers, provide a nurturing part of the clergy more capable of doing work with those in need, and reenergize the Church.

The exclusion of women from the priesthood and the full life of the Church was a silly, biased doctrine based primarily on the writings of Paul --- hardly a good example of Christian love, or much of anything else. It was Peter upon whom the Church was built -- for a reason. Paul's own views on the matter were heavily influenced by the left-over remains of his Jewish faith, which itself developed into a patriarchy to depower the sacred feminine -- heavily present in Sumerian, Akkadian, Babylonian and Egyptian religious custom.

For people in 2007 to continue such traditions, well understood through archeology and historical study is silly. There is no natural primacy of the male gender, no actual spiritual difference between women and men and no reason whatsoever, other than the insecurity of men such as yourself, to deny the right to be priests to women. The hosts that they bless are just as holy as the hosts blessed by priests with d**ks, regardless of what mouldy, unimportant ancient texts may tell you.

Sorry dude.

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Reynolds
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PS I'm male.

Answer 3

The difference between culture and faith is that faith is supposed to be based solely on doctrine (ie what the Bible says). Culture comes in when "its just not done" or "no, its not really against the Bible, we just don't do it". The fathers are trying to say that they are not against it, it is against the religious doctrine. They may be referring to the notion that priests serve God and the church as servants and nuns are said to be married to the church. A place of honor because they are women like Mary or a lesser role because they are weaker/more easily tempted (the whole Tree of Knowledge thing).
I'm not a Christian, just a neutral observer but I hope that helps.

Answer 4

The olden christian culture and belief is so obsolete that the Vatican has just recently given thumbs up to the use of condoms -- which is like HELLO??? The catholic church is sexist in many ways. And christian culture IS christian faith to these holier than thou mighty glorious vatican. They change the rules whenever they feel like doing so. Ratzinger has been "GWBushing" glbt's for decades and he is the head of the church????? Why should anyone listen to this old cattle just because he says this is right or this is wrong?? What does he know? He hasn't been in the real world to see things for himself... at least not in the moden world. How can one be the "head of the church" when they condemn part of humanity?

Answer 5

I don't see a big difference. Women used to be a big part of running the church in the beginning, but then Peter and other male egos ruined it.
The church is very male controlled and feel threaten by women getting any control in it. Incompatible with Christian Faith seems like another excuse to deny women important roles in the church.
That's my opinion anyway. There is no real good reason to deny them priesthood.

Answer 6

Christian faith should be based on the bible only and culture is the outgrowth of biblical faith, but may not be !!!

Answer 7

Look to the book of

Jude for your answer. God has used women in the past to Lead Israel. Count he not use them to lead His Church?

Answer 8

Just say "come on, we ALL know that priests would look silly wearing lipstick".

That'll derail them long enough for you to have made your point and slip out the door.

Best of luck!

Answer 9

christian culture is the culture (beliefs, rituals, and habits) of all christians.

christian faith, in this case, would be 'what the bible says' or 'what the vatican says'

Answer 10

if paul hadn't been a misogynist, this wouldn't be an issue today