Christians is Jesus the Son or God?

Question

Please Read Hebrews Chapter 1 and based on this scripture tell me what you think

Answer 1

Very well. Let's see how the traditional Christian thinking on this matter holds up against the scrutiny of Hebrews 1. Christians historically have believed that Jesus is fully God in certain senses and yet distinct from the Father in certain senses. When the Two are mentioned together the Father is either called the Father or God, while the Son is called the Son.

There are four distinctions made between the Son and the Father in this chapter: The Father spoke to the us by His Son (v. 2), the Father appointed the Son heir of all things (vv. 2, 4), the Son is seated at the right hand of the Father in Heaven (vv. 3, 13), they have a Father-Son relationship (vv. 4, 6).

There are twice as many mentions of Jesus' being God in this same chapter.
1. Creator: Only God created the world (Gen 1:1; John 1:3), and the Son created the earth (Heb 1:2, 10) and the heavens (Heb 1:10).
2. Glory: God is jealous (in a good way) not sharing His glory with another (Exod 20:5), and the Son is the glory of God (Heb 1:3) and angels are commanded to worship the Son (Heb 1:6).
3. Holy: God is holy (set apart) from His creation, and the Son is the exact imprint of the divine nature (Heb 1:3).
4. Sustainer: God upholds the universe (Neh 9:6; Col 1:17), and the Son upholds the universe (Heb 1:3).
5. God: God adamantly insists He is the only God throughout the Old Testament, but the Father calls the Son "God" (Heb 1:8, 9) and "Lord" (Heb 1:10).
6. Eternal: Only God is eternal (Ps 90:2; John 8:58; Rev 1:8, 4:8), and the Son's reign/throne is eternal (Heb 1:8) and the Son Himself is eternal (Heb 1:11, 12).
7. Moral Perfection: Only God is without sin (Luke 18:19), and the Son's authority in Heaven is based on His uprightness (Heb 1:8).
8. Immutability: Even though the rest of creation changes, God does not change (Mal 3:6; Jas 1:17), and the Son does not change (Heb 1:12).

In conclusion, the Christian belief that in certain senses Jesus is God and in certain other senses Jesus is the Son of God the Father and therefore distinct in these senses, does seem to be reflected in this chapter. Thanks for asking. That was a fun 15-minute study.

Blessings!

P.S. Why did Michael quote two creeds instead of looking into Hebrews 1? Does he need to borrow my Bible?

Answer 2

‘But isn’t Jesus called a god in the Bible?’ someone may ask. This is true. Yet Satan is also called a god. (2 Corinthians 4:4) At John 1:1, which refers to Jesus as “the Word,” some Bible translations say: “In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.” But notice, verse 2 says that the Word was “in the beginning with God.” And while men have seen Jesus, verse 18 says that “no man hath seen God at any time.” (Authorized or King James Version) So we find that some translations of verse 1 give the correct idea of the original language when they read: “The Word was with God, and the Word was divine,” or was “a god,” that is, the Word was a powerful godlike one. (An American Translation) Clearly, Jesus is not Almighty God. In fact, Jesus spoke of his Father as “my God” and as “the only true God.”

Did Jesus ever say that he was God? No, he never did. Rather, in the Bible he is called “God’s Son.” And he said: “The Father is greater than I am.” Also, Jesus explained that there were some things that neither he nor the angels knew but that only God knew. (Mark 13:32) Further, on one occasion Jesus prayed to God, saying: “Let, not my will, but yours take place.” (Luke 22:42) If Jesus were the Almighty God, he would not have prayed to himself, would he? In fact, following Jesus’ death, the Scripture says: “This Jesus God resurrected.” (Acts 2:32) Thus the Almighty God and Jesus are clearly two separate persons. Even after his death and resurrection and ascension to heaven, Jesus was still not equal to his Father.


As for the “Holy Spirit,” the so-called third Person of the Trinity, this is not a person but God’s active force. John the Baptizer said that Jesus would baptize with holy spirit, even as John had been baptizing with water. Hence, in the same way that water is not a person, holy spirit is not a person. (Matthew 3:11) What John foretold was fulfilled when, following the death and resurrection of Jesus, holy spirit was poured out on his followers gathered in Jerusalem. The Bible says: “They all became filled with holy spirit.” (Acts 2:4) Were they “filled” with a person? No, but they were filled with God’s active force. Thus the facts make clear that the Trinity is not a Bible teaching. Actually, long before Jesus walked the earth gods were worshiped in groups of three, or trinities, in places such as ancient Egypt and Babylon.

Answer 3

Jesus is the Son of God. Many trinitarians try to use Heb.1:8 to prove that Jesus is God. The Revised Standard Bible reads: “Of the Son he says, ‘Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever.’” The King James Bible says something similar.) However, NW reads: “But with reference to the Son: ‘God is your throne forever and ever.’”

Which rendering is harmonious with the context? The preceding verses say that God is speaking, not that he is being addressed; and the following verse uses the expression “God, thy God,” showing that the one addressed is not the Most High God but is a worshiper of that God. Hebrews 1:8 quotes from Psalm 45:6, which originally was addressed to a human king of Israel. Obviously, the Bible writer of this psalm did not think that this human king was Almighty God. Rather, Psalm 45:6, in RS, reads “Your divine throne.” (New English Bible says, “Your throne is like God’s throne.” JP [verse 7]: “Thy throne given of God.”) Solomon, who was possibly the king originally addressed in Psalm 45, was said to sit “upon Jehovah’s throne.” (1 Chron. 29:23, NW) In harmony with the fact that God is the “throne,” or Source and Upholder of Christ’s kingship, Daniel 7:13, 14 and Luke 1:32 show that God confers such authority on him.

So, Jesus is not God. He is the Son of God.

Answer 4

Jesus is God in human form. God is the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit. God + Jesus + the Holy Spirit = God Almighty

Answer 5

He is actually both. I know it's impossible to fully comprehend it, but it's like another dimension that humans can't imagine. like if you could only see in 2-D, you would have no trouble with a square, but couldn't imagine a cube, which is made up of squares. Jesus, God, and the Holy Spirit are the same way. we are in the "2-D" world, but heaven is 3-D.

Answer 6

I really appreciate what chdoctor wrote. I've been considering basically the same question for several months. My conclusion: Jesus was a Jew who prayed to God. He didn't pray to himself. He called himself "Son of Man" repeatedly in the NT. However, He does say that "whatever you ask in His name, He will do." For sure, He has power.

Answer 7

Neither...

'God is not a man... neither the son of man...' -Bible, Numbers 23:19

Let me ask the Christians something... Who did Moses, Abraham, Isaac, Jacob/Israel, etc. pray to? How come they've never mentioned Jesus in their prayers? Who is the Lord other than God?

Answer 8

Did you zone into verses 8 and 9 "But to the Son He says, your throne O God endures forever and ever.....Therefore O God, your God has anointed you....." Why don't you explain those two verses for me.

Answer 9

OK God said he was his son and he would deal with his enemies.
Jesus said I am in the Father and He is in me
And Jesus said he is in us.

If you split up white light into red, blue and yellow it appears different, but it is still of white light

Answer 10

The Apostles' Creed


The Symbolum Apostolorum was developed between the second and ninth centuries. It is the most popular creed used in worship by Western Christians. Its central doctrines are those of the Trinity and God the Creator.

Legend has it that the Apostles wrote this creed on the tenth day after Christ's ascension into heaven. That is not the case, though the name stuck. However, each of the doctrines found in the creed can be traced to statements current in the apostolic period. The earliest written version of the creed is perhaps the Interrogatory Creed of Hippolytus (ca. A.D. 215). The current form is first found in the writings of Caesarius of Arles (d 542).

The creed was apparently used as a summary of Christian doctrine for baptismal candidates in the churches of Rome. Hence it is also known as The Roman Symbol. As in Hippolytus' version it was given in question and answer format with the baptismal candidates answering in the affirmative that they believed each statement.

Traditional English Version
I believe in God the Father Almighty, Maker of heaven and earth.

And in Jesus Christ his only Son our Lord; who was conceived by the Holy Ghost, born of the Virgin Mary, suffered under Pontius Pilate, was crucified, dead, and buried; he descended into hell; the third day he rose again from the dead; he ascended into heaven, and sitteth on the right hand of God the Father Almighty; from thence he shall come to judge the quick and the dead.

I believe in the Holy Ghost; the holy catholic Church; the communion of saints; the forgiveness of sins; the resurrection of the body; and the life everlasting. AMEN.



The Nicene Creed
The Nicene Creed, also called the Nicaeno-Constantinopolitan Creed, is a statement of the orthodox faith of the early Christian church in opposition to certain heresies, especially Arianism. These heresies, which disturbed the church during the fourth century, concerned the doctrine of the trinity and of the person of Christ. Both the Greek (Eastern) and the Latin (Western) church held this creed in honor, though with one important difference: the Western church insisted on the inclusion of the phrase "and the Son" (known as the "filioque") in the article on the procession of the Holy Spirit; this phrase still is repudiated by the Eastern Orthodox church. In its present form this creed goes back partially to the Council of Nicea (A.D. 325) with additions by the Council of Constantinople (A.D. 381). It was accepted in its present form at the Council of Chalcedon in 451, but the "filioque" phrase was not added until 589. However, the creed is in substance an accurate and majestic formulation of the Nicene faith. This translation of the Greek text was approved by the CRC Synod of 1988.

We believe in one God,
the Father almighty,
maker of heaven and earth,
of all things visible and invisible.

And in one Lord Jesus Christ,
the only Son of God,
begotten from the Father before all ages,
God from God,
Light from Light,
true God from true God,
begotten, not made;
of the same essence as the Father.
Through him all things were made.
For us and for our salvation
he came down from heaven;
he became incarnate by the Holy Spirit and the virgin Mary,
and was made human.
He was crucified for us under Pontius Pilate;
he suffered and was buried.
The third day he rose again, according to the Scriptures.
He ascended to heaven
and is seated at the right hand of the Father.
He will come again with glory
to judge the living and the dead.
His kingdom will never end.

And we believe in the Holy Spirit,
the Lord, the giver of life.
He proceeds from the Father and the Son,
and with the Father and the Son is worshiped and glorified.
He spoke through the prophets.
We believe in one holy catholic and apostolic church.
We affirm one baptism for the forgiveness of sins.
We look forward to the resurrection of the dead,
and to life in the world to come. Amen.