Atheists: Prove, without any gaps whatsoever in reasoning or facts, that the universe was made by a Non-God.

Question

I'm agnostic, not a theist.. Both theists and atheists are extremists in my view...

Your reasoning must be superb, and NONE of your propositions or facts should be subject to debate...

If you cannot prove that the Universe was made by a Non-God, you are agnostic, not atheist...

Answer 1

Notice they dodge your question completely

Answer 2

If there is anything worse than a Christian, it is an agnostic. Agnostics are simply closeted Christians with their fingers crossed that Jesus will come down from the clouds and they'll unite with him, while at the same time deep inside knowing that's a bullshit thought. Do you have any backbone to make a decision? Are you also agnostic about the Greek gods or fairies? Agnosticism has to be the most ridiculous point of view there is to take. On the other hand, Atheists take the more reasonable view that says: There is presently no evidence to believe that god exists, so I will not believe in god, unless one day evidence proves me incorrect.

Good job Agnostic. Being able to prove where the Universe came from doesn't have anything to do with being Agnostic or not. It has to do with the data being there or not. Also, the burden of proof that "god made the universe" is not on us. It is on you that makes the claim that it is possible. We Atheists simply take the more plausible point of view that natural causes that we currently don't understand completely made the Universe. We don't go into your beloved god of the gaps. I bet you Agnostics 500 years back when we didn't understand thunder would have been saying "Well, can you PROVE that NO-GOD is making the thunder? Not yet? Then you must be agnostic."

God, I truly hate you Agnostics.

Answer 3

Fact: humans do not know all the secrets to the universe.
So I can't prove that makes me agnostic. You are an idiot ! Atheism is a belief too you elitist Agnostic. I used to be agnostic as well. Then I made a choice to believe that there is no God based on all available evidence and life experience available to me. Theist's be live there is One based on evidence and life experience.
Tomato or Tamato. It's all Perception.
The really funny thing is according to you idea, all Theists are Agnostic too. Because they could not provide the same evidence without gaps. You are a moron.

Answer 4

Clearly you have no idea what an atheist even is. An atheist simply doesn't believe in gods. I don't need to prove anything. I am not making the claim. One is either a theist ( believe in gods ) or you don't ( an atheist ). There is no third possibility. If you think there is, please take a logic course.

In the future please learn what the words you use mean before you use them . Clearly you don't know what either atheist or agnostic mean. I would hate to see you continue to look like a complete idiot.

Agnosticism has nothing to do with belief at all. It has to do with what one can know.

By the way I don't believe the universe is made at all.

Answer 5

Non-God?
There is NO WAY anyone can answer this question without a comprehensive, exhaustive examination and analysis of MILLIONS of pieces of evidence from the fossil record!
And saying you aren't an Atheist if you can't prove god's non-existence is the same as saying there isn't a God unless you have actual PROOF that He/She exists. Faith, either the presence of or the lack of, is a personal conviction that doesn"t require proof. Evolution, in all of its glory (and I have NO DOUBTS), cannot PROVE the non-existence of a God. Don't try to define what other people are for them. I don't think they will like that. And only people who don't actually study evolution in a post-grad setting think that any main parts of Evolution are subject to debate. These fringe weirdos they interview on news programs are, technically, propagandists. I think the Science Community is finally getting that point across and the media is being forced to listen.

Answer 6

I have nothing to prove. All evidence suggests the universe is natural, and does not require super natural events to explain existence.

The non existence of god and the natural creation of the universe is the null position.

"If you cannot prove that the Universe was made by a Non-God, you are agnostic, not atheist..."

Ha. Time to pick up a dictionary dipsh*t.

Tell me do you believe in the tooth fairy? Can you prove one way or another the existence of the tooth fairy?

Do you know what a hypocrite is?

Agnostics are atheists without balls.

Answer 7

Let us posit the following:

The universe exists.

Physical laws are constant across time and space.

If physical laws are constant, then all interactions between particles/waves can be described by a Feynmann diagram (specific to the particles/waves and the interaction. Since god is not composed of particles/waves he cannot interact with particles/waves. Therefore he could not have created the universe and, since the universe exists, non-god must have created it. QED

Or you could use the Michelson-Morley experiments. Since god is omnipresent then the Earth is traveling through god in a specific direction. The Michelson-Morley experiments detected no change in light traveling in the same direction as the Earth or perpendicular to that direction. Similar experiments with other partcles/waves have shown similar non-effects. Therefore god must have no effect on particles/waves or his effect is constant regardless of direction of motion. If the first, then we can conclude that he could not create the universe. If the second, then we can concluded that god does not vary over space and, thus, cannot carry any information. Without information, there can be no volition, without volition, there can be no deliberate act of creation. QED

Basically, though, atheism is a matter of faith and agnosticism is the logical choice. Still if you have to bet on the game, I'd put my money down on atheism.

Answer 8

*blink* Um.... I can't prove a negative. I've maintained that since the start. I can't prove that Yahweh doesn't exist. I can't prove Quetzalcoatl doesn't exist. Heck, I can't even prove that there isn't a hot pink dingo hiding in the trunk of my car at this very moment. Can't prove any of it.

Why would you want me to try? What's the point? We already know that a negative cannot be proved. Listen very closely: I concede your point. Always have! I do, however, find it amusing that anyone might try to prove or disprove something logically impossible, though no matter how logically impossible it may be, that still isn't proof of a negative, is it?

BUT.....

Thankfully, it's not a problem for me. The burden of proof isn't my responsibility anyway.

Oh, and by the way... can you prove that the universe was made by Non-Quetzalcoatl? If not... what does that make you?

Answer 9

Prove you exist first. You clearly don't know the definition of atheist. By your argument, everyone in the world is agnostic, since there is nothing known without gaps.

Answer 10

Well, let me pose the question back at you. Can you prove that the Universe was not made by the Flying Spaghetti Monster? No you can not, therefore according to your logic, then that proves the possibility of the Flying Spaghetti Monster or any other flight of fantasy that our minds can make up.

Answer 11

You can't invert a premise and assume that it retains its original meaning. "The universe was not made by God" is not the same assertion as "The universe was made by a non-God"

Nice attempt to skirt the fact that you cannot prove a negative, but you also cannot rephrase a negative to make it appear as though it is a positive, because in doing so you completely change its meaning.