What really convinces you that the Lord Jesus is not at all the son of God?

Question

Considering all that the Holy Bible, in all its versions an the earliest books (Greek and Hebrew texts) - what makes you so sure that Jesus is not at all the son of God, the savior of the world and the only way to God?

Answer 1

Defining the meaning of the word "Son":

Now in Isaiah 9:6 "....there has been a son given to us,.........",

Psalm 82:6 "I said, 'You are "gods" (Elohim; plural to El); you are all sons of the Most High.' " "gods" here in Hebrew is "Elohim", which is plural of "EL". It is the same exact thing as "EL" used for Jesus in Isaiah 9:6, since "gods" is a combination of several "EL"s. And as clearly shown here, for someone to be called "god" or "God" in the Bible it wouldn't make him GOD Almighty Himself, the LORD or Jehovah. I also want to point out that any "Son of GOD" in the Bible is a "god" or "God".


Also, let us look at John 3:16 "For God loved the world so much that he gave his only begotten Son, in order that everyone exercising faith in him might not be destroyed but have everlasting life." Ironically, Trinitarians from my personal experience with them rely on this verse (John 3:16) very heavily when trying to prove that Allah or Jehovah came down to earth to die for our sins. They claim that Jesus being God's unique son, makes him the only Son for God, which ultimately lead us to the conclusion that Jehovah is Jesus.

Also, let us look at Hebrews 11:17 "By faith Abraham, when God tested him, offered Isaac as a sacrifice. He who had received the promises was about to sacrifice his one and only son...." Abraham had two sons: Ishmael and Isaac. Ishmael was 13 years older than Isaac. Yet we see that "his one and only son" expression was used for Isaac. The Bible uses expressions like this to magnify people or to glorify someone on a certain occasion. The Bible in this verse glorifies Isaac for being the chosen sacrifice to God, according to what the Jews and Christians claim in their corrupted Bible. So Jesus being God's "only begotten Son" in John 3:16 doesn't make him God nor the only Son of God.

Now, Let us look at Exodus 4:22 "Thus saith Jehovah, Israel is my son, even my firstborn." Here we see in this verse that Israel is not only God's so called "Son", but also his first born !!. Does this mean that Jehovah is Israel? Does it mean that we must worship Israel as Jehovah or Allah? Of course not !!!

Also, let us look at Jeremiah 31:9 "I am a father to Israel, and Ephraim is my firstborn." Ephraim in this verse means Israel. This verse is similar to Exodus 4:22.

Let us also look at Psalm 2:7 "....Jehovah had said onto me (David), thou art my Son; this day have I begotten thee." Here in this verse we see that God not only called David his "Son", but also had made him his begotten Son !!!.

Swapping Game: Let us play a little swapping game between the verses of John 3:16, Exodus 4:22, Jeremiah 31:9, and Psalm 2:7. Let us take "his only begotten Son" from John 3:16 and replace it in Exodus 4:22, and let us take "even my firstborn" from Exodus 4:22 and replace it in John 3:16.

Do you honestly think that the little swap game above would change anything in the meaning? Would you still have believed in Jesus as Jehovah if the above swap was true?

The above swap proves that the word "Son" doesn't mean actual biological "Son" at all. It just means that Jesus is a "Son" of Jehovah in a way that Jehovah loved him so much that he chose him to be his messenger to the people of Israel.

Another Swapping Game: Let us replace "I begotten thee" from Psalm 2:7, and replace it in John 3:16, and take "his only begotten Son" from John 3:16 and replace it in Psalm 2:7

Again, do you honestly think that the little swap game above would change anything in the meaning? Would you still have believed in Jesus as Jehovah if the above swap was true?

Clearly, the above swap proves that the word "Son" doesn't mean actual biological "Son" at all. It just means that Jesus is a "Son" of Jehovah in a way that Jehovah loved him so much that he chose him to be his messenger to the people of Israel.

Jesus worshiping his God:

Let us look at Luke 5:16 "And he (Jesus) withdrew himself into the wilderness and prayed to his God." Here we see that Jesus had a God, a supreme God, who is higher than him and stronger than him. Jesus was God's servant and he prayed to God so God would strengthen him more and reinforce him with patience and desire to continue his mission in spreading the word of God Almighty.

Also, let us look at Matthew 26:39 "And going a little way forward, he (Jesus) fell upon his face, praying and saying 'My Father, if it is possible, let this cup pass away from me. Yet, not as I will, but as you will.' " Here in this verse we see two things: (1) Jesus bowed down on his face and prayed in submission to his GOD in obedience. (2) Jesus was begging his GOD to let the cup pass away from him. Jesus did not have the power to will it for himself and make the cup pass away from Jesus. GOD had to do it for Jesus !. How can Jesus be the Creater of this Universe, the all knowing, most powerful??!!

Also, let us look at Matthew 26:42 "Again, for the second time, he (Jesus) went off and prayed, saying: 'My Father, if it is not possible for this to pass away except I drink it, let your will take place.'" My comments on this verse are similar to the above one (Matthew 26:39), Jesus begged his GOD to will what Jesus wanted to happen. Jesus couldn't will it by himself.

Also, let us look at Matthew 26:44 "So leaving them, he (Jesus) went off and prayed for the third time, saying once more the same word." Here we see that Jesus for the third time begged his GOD to will what Jesus wished for in Matthew 26:39 above. How can Jesus be the Creater of this Universe if he (1) begs, and (2) lacks power??!!

Answer 2

While it is true that I don't know enough, I do not think that Lord Jesus is the son of God or that Christianity is the right path to God.
1) They encourage non-vegetarianism. Which God would want his own creations to be eaten?
2) They have a superior attitude and are sometimes racist.
3) I have heard that there are many contradictions in the Gospels.

Answer 3

ate up with the help of fireplace or maybe being pierced with arrows or being stoned to dying or nailed to the circulate. this looks like an exceptionally previous and intensely resolved question to the Christians. Aaron's sons have been killed with the help of the will of God and the scripture says that Christ's rewards are available the subsequent existence. A harder occasion could have been Judas Iscariot.

Answer 4

Depending whether you are talking about the Spirit or the body determines how one understands. The Spirit is One, and thus is the only way, but bodies are apparently divided, and have likewise the appearance of multiple paths, though they too are similar....

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And since there can be no tie of direct intercourse to bind the one true God with His creation, and no resemblance whatever can exist between the transient and the Eternal, the contingent and the Absolute, He hath ordained that in every age and dispensation a pure and stainless Soul be made manifest in the kingdoms of earth and heaven. Unto this subtle, this mysterious and ethereal Being He hath assigned a twofold nature; the physical, pertaining to the world of matter, and the spiritual, which is born of the substance of God Himself. He hath, moreover, conferred upon Him a double station. The first station, which is related to His innermost reality, representeth Him as One Whose voice is the voice of God Himself. To this testifieth the tradition: "Manifold and mysterious is My relationship with God. I am He, Himself, 67 and He is I, Myself, except that I am that I am, and He is that He is."

(Baha'u'llah, Gleanings from the Writings of Baha'u'llah, p. 66)

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Through failing to understand the meaning of the prophecies
about the dominion of the Messiah, the Jews rejected Christ.
Abdu'l-Bahá says: --

The Jews still await the coming of the Messiah, and
pray to God day and night to hasten His advent. When
Jesus came they denounced and slew Him, saying: "This
is not the One for Whom we wait. Behold, when the Messiah
shall come, signs and wonders shall testify that He is
in truth the Christ. The Messiah will arise out of an unknown
city. He shall sit upon the throne of David, and
behold, He shall come with a sword of steel, and with a
scepter of iron shall He rule. He shall fulfill the Law of the
Prophets. He shall conquer the East and the West, and
shall glorify His chosen people the Jews. He shall bring
with Him a reign of Peace during which even the animals
shall cease to be at enmity with man. For behold, the wolf
and the lamb shall drink from the same spring ... and all
God's creatures shall be at rest. ..."

Thus the Jews thought and spoke, for they did not
understand the Scriptures nor the glorious truths that
were contained in them. The letter they knew by heart,
but of the life-giving Spirit they understood not a word.
Hearken, and I will show you the meaning thereof:
Although Christ came from Nazareth, which was a known
place, He came also from heaven. His body was born of
Mary, but His Spirit came from heaven. The sword He
carried was the sword of His tongue, with which He
divided the good from the evil, the true from the false, the
faithful from the unfaithful, and the light from the darkness.
His Word was indeed a sharp sword! The throne upon
which He sat is the Eternal Throne from which
Christ reigns forever, a heavenly throne, not an earthly
one, for the things of earth pass away but heavenly things
pass not away. He reinterpreted and completed the Laws of
Moses and fulfilled the Law of the Prophets. His Word
conquered the East and the West. His kingdom is everlasting.
He exalted those Jews who recognized Him. They
were men and women of humble birth, but contact with
Him made them great and gave them everlasting dignity.
The animals who were to live with one another signified
the different sects and races, who, once having been at
war, were now to dwell in love and charity, drinking together
the Water of Life from Christ the Eternal Spring.

Most Christians accept these interpretations of Messianic
prophecies as applied to Christ; but with regard to similar
prophecies about the latter-day Messiah, many of them take
up the same attitude as the Jews, expecting a miraculous display
on the material plane which will fulfill the very letter of
the prophecies.

(Dr. J.E. Esslemont, Baha'u'llah and the New Era, p. 214)

Answer 5

Its highly impossible 2 believe dat jesus(pbuh) was God or son of God coz God doesnt need 2 come in da form of a man 2 show He luvs his ppl. God is above all such things....u cant put God on a cross n say he got resurrected n all such blasphemous stuff...........
The Creator must be of a different nature from the things created because if he is of the same nature as they are, he will be temporal and will therefore need a maker. It follows that nothing is like Him. If the maker is not temporal, then he must be eternal. n if he is eternal, he cannot be caused, and if nothing outside him causes him to continue to exist, then it means that he must be self-sufficient. And if the does not depend on anything for the continuance of his own existence, then this existence can have no end. The Creator is therefore eternal and everlasting: "He is the First and the Last

Answer 6

I convinced that Jesus/Isa Almasih ibn Maryam was only a prophet.He was not the son of Allah the only one God because it is stated clearly by Allah in the holy Qur'an Surah 3 Ali Imran Family and Surah 9 Maryam.Yesus was only a grandson of Ali Imran prophet.He was a son of Mary/Maryam without father due to Allah's decree.What Allah wanted will be occurred.We read also in the Surah 112 Al Ikhlash that God/Allah is only one.Any-
thing depends to Allah.Allah has no son and no parents.There is no one like Allah..Allah has no beginning and no ending.Jesus in line with islamic teaching,did not die pon the croos wood.He was saved by Allah by replacing him with same man in appearance and he will come back again to this earth 40 years before the universe will be collapsed (Kiamat or perished).The savior of the world was not Jesus but it is only Allah the only one God.We will have no help except from Allah.

Answer 7

Because I know that the Bible was written by ancient people who didn't have a clue as to what was going on in the world that they lived in. For instance, The story of Adam & Eve. Ancient man didn't know that if members of the same family bear childeen, they are born with genetic defects. Yet, how many religions insist that the followers believe that this mistake in the Bible is the word of God? So who knows how many more times they are pulling the wool over our eyes?

Answer 8

If Lord Jesus is son of God, then I am also son of God. Jesus and I both are not god. Both have taken birth. So both are son of God. He may be mahapurush (special Man) like Mohan Das Karam Chand Ghandi and I am not mahapurush. All devi devta are mahapurush and NOT god. God is 1 since long. Other gods are only due to publicity.

Answer 9

God told us so in the Quran,it doesn't suit God to have a son,reproduction is a characteristic of creatures not The creator and Jesus never said he is God's son.


019.088 And they say: The Beneficent hath taken unto Himself a son.
019.089 Assuredly ye utter a disastrous thing
019.090 Whereby almost the heavens are torn, and the earth is split asunder and the mountains fall in ruins,
019.091 That ye ascribe unto the Beneficent a son,
019.092 When it is not meet for (the Majesty of) the Beneficent that He should choose a son.
019.093 There is none in the heavens and the earth but cometh unto the Beneficent as a slave.


010.068 They say: God hath taken (unto Him) a son - Glorified be He! He hath no needs! His is all that is in the heavens and all that is in the earth. Ye have no warrant for this. Tell ye concerning God that which ye know not?


021.026 And they say: "(God) Most Gracious has begotten offspring." Glory to Him! they are (but) servants raised to honour.


004.171 O People of the Book! Commit no excesses in your religion: Nor say of God aught but the truth. Christ Jesus the son of Mary was (no more than) a messenger of God, and His Word, which He bestowed on Mary, and a spirit proceeding from Him: so believe in God and His messengers. Say not "Trinity" : desist: it will be better for you: for God is one God: Glory be to Him: (far exalted is He) above having a son. To Him belong all things in the heavens and on earth. And enough is God as a Disposer of affairs.

(QURAN)

Answer 10

Jesus is not Ultimate God. He is considered Ultimate only for Christaianity

Answer 11

Well, the jewish bible doesn't bare much in common with the christian bible. Many of the "proofs" used in the NT based on the OT to prove Christ is important were never even part of the jewish faith in context.