Atheists.....?

Question

So, you think there is no God??? Just look at the universe. By saying there is no God your saying that by about 1 in 100 trillion chance the world was made. Cause an explosion just spread out everything and it just "happened" to fall into place.

Answer this, if I put the parts of a watch in a bag and shake the bag for my whole life(or even for a trillion years) are those parts ever going to fall into place and make a watch? No. The precision of this earth is so great that it had to have been made by God, Chance just doesn't make the earth within a billion of centimeter of either freezing or burning. Chance doesn't give our earth the perfect sized atmosphere and magnetic field. Chance just doesn't make things so perfect.


Last thing, you say the earth is billions of years old. Well whenever a star explodes, it lets out a nebula gas or whatever which takes a certain amount of time to expand. But there is only enough of that gas in space for about 12,000 years!

http://tacklingthetruth.com/?p=3

There is my source. And there are other sources listed at the bottom of the page. It is supernova remnants, not nebula gases, my mistake.

Answer 1

That's right, gods don't exist.

Answer 2

Somebody has absolutely no clue about statistical probability.

Well thats the god I worship anyways.. I love statistical probability and all the fun it brings about. Did you know that if you walked into a wall an almost infinite number of times probability states that at some point your molecules will align so that the pass between the gaps between the walls molecules and you will literally pass straight through the wall. Now granted something like this is an extreme end of probability.

In a near infinite (Or possibly infinite) universe, it is very easily likely that probability would lead to everything you stated. As far as everything mystically forming together, well that isn't even probability. You see, asssuming the big bang theory is correct, after the big band there would be a big cloud of millions of particles. Now like milk that is set out to long those particles would begin to congeal into masses because of the forces of gravitational pull. Now granted this process takes a long time because in the begining the forces aren't as centralized.

Over time things like stars and planets formed. Now if you think this is all hokum I suggest you visit your nearest observatory to look at a nebula. We can actually see this process taking place in space today. That makes it a very provable, observable phenomenon.

Ok, so what would the probability be that something would land inside earths orbit, for a sun that is the size of ours and yadda yadda. Pretty small maybe. Is it the only possible way that life could exist? Well that my friend is a resounding no. But say it is.. Whats the probability of this happening? Lets say 1:9 trillion.. Wow, that's some astronomical odds.. But heres the rub, there are more than 9 trillion stars in our galaxy I'm sure.. And there are more than 9 trillion galaxies (of course I'm just guessing here, never counted them... Going off nearly infinite universe..) So even at 1 in 9 trillion odds (You'd have a better chance getting struck by lightning while being attacked by a recese monkey after winning the lottery) you'd end up with at least 9 trillion planets like earth.

Oh and yes, statistically speaking if you shook that bag for a near infinite amount of time then at some point it would form a watch. But the odds on that are so near 1:Infinity that I would want to bet on seeing it. The odds are better that all the components would turn to dust.. And the odds on a watch forming out of that dust aren't nearly as good. :P

Answer 3

I don't think you're giving chance/chaos enough credit. What besides your inability to wrap your head around the idea that the universe could have arisen by chance leads you to the conclusion that it is absolutely impossible that this is how the universe took shape and coalesced into what it is today? Is it possible that you might not actually know the answer to this question? You cite statistics that are based on evolving data; astronomical data change all the time as new factors affecting old bodies are identified and integrated. There is nothing wrong with having a working hypothesis, but let's not jump to the conclusion that it is impossible, just because it is improbable. (Also, it seems that you equate "chance" and "randomness." While this can be true to an extent, systems that begin in a random manner often organize and begin to adhere to certain laws of behavior as they grow, so this "chance" you speak of is not completely random or unpredictable.

Answer 4

You're right...there are no gods.

Regardless of what one says about gods, the universe itself says that yes, a 1 in 100 trillion chance happened, and the planet Earth was created, and life occurred.

Using a man made device to illustrate the "need" for a god is foolish. Complexity doesn't imply design.

There are many factors that are responsible for the "miracle" you seem intent on attributing to a god. The gases that gathered to make stars, their gravitational impact on surrounding debris and gases to make planets and their atmospheres. There are an even higher number of criteria that had to be met for life to emerge on this planet...billions of years ago. Do a search for unbiased (meaning non-creation based) sites with information on the origins of the universe, as well as abiogeneis...you'll be amazed. And yes, for the record, chance is EXACTLY why the planet exists as it does.

Now, taking the whole "god" arguement out of your statements momentarily, it is sheer foolishness and ignorance to believe that this world is not billions of years old. Take a tour of the Grand Canyon, and you'll see physical evidence of this claim. Looking at the strata of the walls, you'll actually see the effects of millions of years of erosion. There is no credibility to the claims that certain creationists (such as "dr." dino) make, concerning it being the result of the biblical flood.

Or if you prefer to forego education for rationalizing tradition, you can just put your fingers back in your ears; none of the evidence will mean anything to you anyway.

Answer 5

You clearly have no idea about astronomy or astrophysics.

The part of the Universe that has been observed is 46.5 Billion light years in any direction. Now remember that light travels at about 180 000 miles per second, and you'll get an idea of how big space is.

There are an estimated 1,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 (that's 1 billion trillion) stars in our Universe. Many with their own systems. That gives me room to spare with your ridiculous 1 in 100 trillion figure that you snatched out of fresh air.

The Earth is not within a Billionth of a centimeter of burning or freezing. As a matter of fact the Earth moves 1 800 000 MILES closer to and further away from the Sun throughout the course of a year.

Billions of years of photosynthesis by primitive bacteria and algae gave the earth it's atmosphere.

Our planet has a solid iron inner core, and a molten iron outer core. That is what gives it a magnetic field. It is by no means perfect, because it has swapped poles a number of times.

You're seriously out of your depth here.

Answer 6

We humans cannot fathom something without a beginning and an end, such as time and space, so to make ourselves feel better, we make our own beginnings and ends, i.e. religion. Ok so the world will end at the second coming of Jesus and we will all be taken away to a better place. But what happens to the world? Does it explode? Does it spontaneously combust? What about the sun and the planets? And all the other stars in the universe? Time will continue to exist, as will space. This is not The Truman Show where our boat will hit the end of the universe. There is no beginning and there is no end. The sooner we realize this, the better off we will be.

Answer 7

boy, you seem to know a lot about statistics, cosmology and planetary science. one in a trillion? care to outline the equation for that probability. You do know that more than a hundred "extrasolar" planet have been discovered in recent years and at least a few seem relatively Earth-like. That's of the hundreds of star systems we can survey with current (primative) methods. So, I'd say that conservatively speaking that places the chances of "this world" in at least in the 1 to 1,000s. Stack that up against a 17.3 billion year cosmos. If you bought a lottery ticket every day for the past 17.3 billion years, you would have won the jackpot millions of times.

Answer 8

Both your "facts" and your logic are wanting. The universe is about 14 billion years old, and contains a billion trillion suns, and it is hardly surprising that at least one system was conducive to life and that it developed there. The universe operates according to rules, which are sufficient to explain all earthly phenomena, and although mutations occur by chance, selection does not. There is no evidence to either support or refute the existence of god, and from this it is provable that no such belief can have any consequences in the real world: all such beliefs are useless.

Answer 9

Our locality in the Universe satisfies the criteria for existence. We are therefore most likely not alone in the universe. To assume that God found a spot in the universe suitable for life and then decided to create a species that would be subservient to him and in return he would then create another habitat for them that is even better but they can only get there if they obey him and his word - that is just preposterous! I think if that is how it happened, then God has found another little project in a Galaxy far, far away and he has forgotten all about us!

Answer 10

I'm not an atheist but comparing the universe to a watch is a bad analogy. You seem not to be up to date on something known as quantum physics. The universe at it's most fundamental level is more bizarre than you could ever imagine.

Your LACK of knowledge of basic science is appalling in this day in age.

If you were to look closely, very, very closely (to the order of 10^-35m), space is actually a foaming mass of quantum activity. This quantum foam is made of particles and micro-black holes popping in and out of existence, apparently in contravention of the second law of thermodynamics, they appear out of nothing with energy, then disappear again just as quickly. The key to this is the uncertainty principle.

And as for how the universe actually came into being itself, it is believed that also in the quantum foam, virtual space-time bubbles also continually pop in and out of existence, like virtual particles, only to disappear again. However, it is possible that one of these space-time bubbles, which is actually an unimaginably small universe, could avoid rapidly disappearing again and be promoted to a full size universe, such as ours.

Answer 11

If you have such a problem with a planet "just happening", why do you apparently have no problem with the idea of an all-powerful, all-knowing, infinitely complex supreme deity "just happening"?

What creationism says is that God -- a being that would have to be the most advanced thing in the entire universe -- was ALREADY THERE from the beginning of time. No matter what theory you believe in, that one makes the LEAST sense.