ATHEISTS: prove me wrong. there must be an energy that we call god.......?

Question

There must be a god. becuase how can the universe have always existed??
if the big bang created it then that means that the materials in order for it to happen must have already existed in order for it to happen. and by philosophy and science, it is impossible for something to derive from nothing. and if the universe can end then due to its expansion then that means that it must have started.

and if there is in fact something (which there is) then another thing must have created it. how can a physical dimention have just randomly sparked from nothing?? the answer is that it cant. there never has been nothing. there has always been something. but since it can end then it must have began. which brings me to this conclusion: the physical dimention must have been sparked or crated by something outside of it. something tha tis truly infinite. and this infinate energy we can call god.

god is not some man judging you. god is an all knwing and very real and existing energy that keeps the universe going.

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scientist still cant figure out where the tiny string and loops of energy go when they slip in and out of existence. and they cant figure out whats generating them. says quantom mechanics. and you cant be just dead becuase no peice of energy can be destroyed it can only turn into a new form of energy.

"god" is not in this physical dimention. he is the only thing that alwys was. "he" exists in all of us

Answer 1

Echoing Zero Cool: Why MUST there be? Why MUST it have been created?

When you say "God is," better be prepared to come up with evidence. If not, then sorry, no sale.

Answer 2

i think you've unfairly lumped people together. not all scientists are atheists and vice verse. you should give this some thought.

how many americans are ready to accept the proposition
that science has made a colossal error interpreting
the fossil, geological record, physics and - more radical
still - that the validity of Christianity depends on
proving it? if anything, a stance like this repels
those wavering between faith and disbelief and gives
skeptics one more reason to reject religion.

a suggestion to creationists: let science be science,
and let religion prevail in the vast areas where
science has little or nothing to offer. It's not as
though science has an answer for everything of
consequence. The purpose and meaning of life, the
existence of good and evil and love and hate, the
nature of a human soul and what becomes of it at
death, the existence and will of the divine - these
are questions that belong to ethics, philosophy and,
of course, religion.

no, religion shouldn't be picking this particular
fight with mainstream science. can't the Bible
literalists and intelligent designers concede matters of empirical evidence and
rational inquiry to science and devote themselves to
the questions of ultimate meaning - the mighty
questions that rightly occupy religion? their religion
doesn't need any scientific proof. why should their
own faith?

science works on facts and what they are able to test physically. when has a scientist been on tv to present his/her findings that truly prove the non-existence of God? it'll never happen because it can't be scientifically done. that doesn't mean you're right. it just means science doesn't know nor care.

i myself was raised catholic but am now a buddhist. i've never been at more peace but i respect where you come from and whatever choices you make in life that make you a better and happier person is exactly what i hope for you and for those you don't agree with. can you honestly say the same for me and for the atheists? namaste.

Answer 3

OR...
we could all be someone's happy dream and consciousness, and we do not really exist..

Also, IF the universe was created by an energy source, b/c as you stated, "something must have created it" then what created GOD? If GOD had to exist to create the universe, then something else must have existed to create God, b/c energy does not just appear. some process created it..does god have a god?

If you are calling God an energy source, then is it really a physical being? We have yet to establish a way to generate "free" energy (ie..energy that just appears). The body is like a battery and eventually it does run out of energy, and becomes useless, and THEN if you allow the body to decompose through another "natural" process the remains are used in other ways.
Afterall, it's not like we sit in the kitchen drawer not being used (well some people do in the form of sitting on thier couch getting fatter and fatter). People dying is nothing more then another form of batteries running outta energy. Also something had to create that energy that is god too..

The reality is, current science cannot answer those questions yet, but then again, 400 years ago the world was flat. That's why it is called science, knowledge is constantly expanding (hey just like the universe, just like that statement above in regards to the universe is really someone's state of consciouslness and being))). Science is meant to ask questions, and that is the reality, people who say "Science said" dont really understand what science is. Science is meant to ask questions and test theories, ideas are todays "accepted theories".. After all was'nt it Wegner that discovered plate tectonics, and was laughed out of the geologic/geographic field, only to be proven right years after his death?

Answer 4

Prove yourself "right" -- you can't.
You are incorrect in stating that "...the materials in order for it to happen must have already existed..." You don't know that, and you can't prove it.

See, here's the problem: you take things that we don't know YET, and say, "this must mean there is a god." It means no such thing -- it only means that we don't know YET. Besides that entirely invalid assumption, the biggest hole in your argument is simply TIME. 100 years ago, we didn't know how the sun could continue to shine for billions of years, we didn't know anything about the big bang, we didn't know anything about semiconductors, telephones, nuclear fission, quantum physics, etc. And, in fact, at that time many religious leaders would say such things as, "science can't tell us why the sun shines, it must have come from god."
Today, we know how and why the sun works, and how old it is -- guess what, no god needed or implied. Same goes for all the other things. Just because we don't know something doesn't mean "god did it." It just means we don't know -- YET. Come back in another 50 years and many of the assumptions you made above will have been proven incorrect, just as the religious assumptions have for thousands of years.
There is no evidence of any kind to back your incorrect assumption that any kind of god "had" to be involved, and there never will be. There WILL, however, continue to be increases in scientific knowledge, which will continue to show how incorrect ancient superstitions about mythical gods are.
Peace.

Answer 5

I think the picture is bigger than any of us can imagine.
I think that which some call 'god' and which some call 'energy' is, in fact, the same thing.
I do feel there is a creative, living force that holds the fabric of reality together. I feel the same energy that keeps the electrons spinning around a nucleus is the same energy that keeps the planets in orbits around their suns.
I think the desire to pigeonhole 'god' or 'energy' or 'science' or 'creation' is a very limiting, albeit human, thing to do. I choose to believe that the big picture is bigger, grander, stranger, more mysterious and more beautiful than I can possibly imagine.

In short, I prefer to know that I don't know.

This seems to keep me open to all possibilities.

"But you must believe in God or God will punish you!"

I don't believe that. I don't believe that God has a magical formula that one has to recite in order to get on God's good side. I don't believe that the creative power of the universe is concerned about where I put my penis, or what kind of car I drive, or whether I cover my head in church, or even whether or not I go to church.

I think it's all much bigger than all that. I think all the divisions that have come up between people are nothing more than human pettiness, ways that humans have invented to make themselves 'holier' or 'better' than others.

Answer 6

"Athiesm is now left with a faith they believing in, created by the very people that they mock and an intelligent person that even said they where possibly wrong and illogical to rule it out. " Atheism isnt a faith. Faith is belief without justification, it has the same meaning as hope or wish. Science and Atheism are completely separate and while many Scientists are atheists that doesnt mean that atheism has "faith" in hypothesis made by scientists. The God Particle doesn't prove God, rather it explains how atoms were created...

Answer 7

From, the beginning humans have attributed the unexplainable to the god(s). Several thousand years ago, the Jews decided to make one god instead of many. Since then we've had a greater understanding of the universe, and thus the god(s) have been relegated to faith. The *religiousbookhere* said to be written by god(s) says many things that we know not to be true, such as the earth being the center of the universe.

Answer 8

Well, your premise is flawed because it is tied to the idea of time which is a human construct. It is very egocentric to question the nature of the universe based on a man made invention. The whole "if there is in fact something..." statement and how something must have created it is mired down by our current understanding of the universe and multidimensional space (which is very little). I agree that there is a oneness of all matter in the universe that we know of, but it is on a quantum level. Only on that level does all matter follow the same laws of existence. The problem is that we don't have much of an understanding of these processes, and most of the planet is mired down in the antiquated, mythological god-head ideas of spirituality.

Answer 9

As an atheist I choose not to believe in your manmade religion, and have no reason or responsibility to "prove you wrong", frankly I don't give a damn if you worship a dead turtle, just don't assume you are right and everyone else is wrong. I know I am right and you are wrong in your beliefs, but I don't challenge you to change yours, and am not threatened by your belief versus my lack of belief that I have to argue the point. That seems to be the consistent theme around here--- people that are primarily christian per their rants are just not happy that other people chose to not believe the way they do, so they need to be changed or challenged, and in past years and even some present day countries, persecuted. Atheists will speak out when threatened, or to rightfully stand up for our freedom FROM religion.

Answer 10

OK! You say god is not in the physical dimention and that he has created this dimention. Think of this... Who created god? You're probably gonna say mary or whoever it is. but who/what created whatever created the thing that created god? I know it sounds confusing, but think about it... go back before the physical dimention, before god.. what was there? What possibly created god if god is The Creator??? I personally don't believe in it!

Answer 11

If everything must have been created, then god must have been created as well. If god is not created, then everything mustn't have a creator, so why should life or cosmos have one?

As for something coming from nothing...you need to study quantum mechanics. If you were to look closely, very, very closely (to the order of 10^-35m), space is actually a foaming mass of quantum activity. This quantum foam is made of particles and micro-black holes popping in and out of existence, apparently in contravention of the second law of thermodynamics, they appear out of nothing with energy, then disappear again just as quickly. The key to this is the uncertainty principle.

And as for how the universe actually came into being itself, it is believed that also in the quantum foam, virtual space-time bubbles also continually pop in and out of existence, like virtual particles, only to disappear again. However, it is possible that one of these space-time bubbles, which is actually an unimaginably small universe, could avoid rapidly disappearing again and be promoted to a full size universe, such as ours.