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God knows WAAAAAAAAY beforehand whether you were going to choose evil or good. He even knows if you'll change your mind and your intentions.No matter what you do, God already knows, in advance who he's going to send to heaven or hell.The path has already been set for you. How is that considered choice if you're already predestined to a certain fate?
God knew when he made Hitler, he was gonna grow up to be a mass murderer right? Or was God on vacation during that time?

2007-02-17 23:48:35 · 20 answers · asked by Anonymous in Society & Culture Religion & Spirituality

Even if you change your mind 10000X, God will still know what choice you will ultimately choose, since he already knows where you're going to end up when you die. So how is it considered free will if it's already set in God's plan?

2007-02-17 23:52:06 · update #1

Cathy...Then who picked the choice? You think YOU did? How could you have picked something that was already meant to happen even before it happened?

2007-02-17 23:59:21 · update #2

djmanxt..did you, write, direct and create that movie that you watched?

2007-02-18 00:02:01 · update #3

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How uneducated to reach this conclusion based on these facts...preknowledge of a situation does not prevent free will...I watched a movie the second time and I still did not change the outcome...based on your conclusion it should have made a difference. It is your assumption that all is written and directed...EDIT Could you show me in scripture where God's foreknowldge is changing your ability to choose him? God created the world and you have free will foreknowledge of your choice in no way inhibits your freewill.

2007-02-17 23:56:36 · answer #1 · answered by djmantx 7 · 6 0

The owner of a radio can listen to the world news. But the fact that he can listen to a certain staion does not mean that he does. He must first turn on the radio and then select the station. Likewise, Jehovah has the ability to foreknow events, but the Bible shows that he makes selective and discretionary use of that ability, with due regard for the free will with which ha has endowed his human creation. (read Gen. 22:12; 18:20,21).

When God created Adam, did he know that Adam would sin?

"Be fruitful and become many and fill the earth and subdue it, and have in subjection the fish of the sea and the flying creatures of the heavens and every living creature that is moving upon the earth." and Jehovah God also lais this command upon the man: 'From every tree of the gardenyou may eat to satisfaction. But as for the tree of the knowledge of good and bad you must not eat from it, for in the day you eat from it you will positively die.'"(Gen.1"28; 2:16, 17).

Would you encourage your children to undertake a project with a marvelous future, knowing from the strat that it was doomed to faillure? Would you warn them of harm, while knowing that you had planned everything so that thye were sure to come to grief? Is it reasonable, then to attribute such to God?

Matt. 7:11 "If you although being wicked (or "bad as you are" NE), know how to give good gifts to your children, how much more so will your Father who is in the heaveans give good things to those asking him?"

If God foreordaind and fore knew Adam's sin and all that would result from this, it would mean that by creating Adam, God deliberately set in motion all the wickedness committed in human history. He would be the source of all the wars, the crime, the immorality, the oppression, the lying, the hypocrisy, the disease. But the Bible clearly says: Ps. 5:4 "You are not a God taking delight in wickdness."

1John 4:8 "God is love"

Ps. 33:5 " He is a lover of righteousness and justice."

2007-02-18 00:24:27 · answer #2 · answered by Vivimos en los Ultimos Dias 5 · 0 0

Cease fighting lady legs.

By the power invested in you to ask these questions that appear to be riddles but are not, choose to ask that the God you are attempting to argue out of existence, reveal himself to you.

It really doesn't matter whether God knows or not because you have freewill, a mind, a brain, a 'Life-instinct', a will to win, a question asker and an answer getter.

In short, you have the power to know God. You have a choice in the matter. That's made evident by your ability to deny that choice.

God is so great, that God can simultaneously know and not know at the same time. God is able to choose to hope.

I hope God hopes you choose to make the right choice and let your hope rest in God.

Correct me if I'm wrong, I believe the New Testament somewhere mentions that we are all predestined for his glory.
On the matter of choice, God does the choosing.

Just to keep it simple, it's like having a party and making enough cake for everybody. You're at the party and you can have your cake and eat it too; but you can't eat your cake and have too.

Ya dig?

Smile

2007-02-18 00:21:11 · answer #3 · answered by TzodEarf 5 · 0 0

The bible says that God wills that "none could perish" (2 Peter 3:9) The bible additionally says that even nature factors out that God is Lord of all advent (Romans a million:20). all people has an identical probability to choose for God. i think of you would be able to nicely be anxious by ability of the assumption of preordination. i don't have self assurance that God has preordained no count if a individual would be stored or no longer. This flies in the face of salvation. that's a unfastened present, freely given. If the deck became into stacked, with the objective to speak, it might all develop into meaningless. God by no ability supplies up, to any extent further than any earthly parent would provide up on their liked infant. He loves us too lots and gave too massive a sacrifice on our behalf to teach His lower back.

2016-11-23 16:25:34 · answer #4 · answered by kidder 4 · 0 0

Your question brings up a major flaw in Arminian belief. If we have free will, God cannot be omnipotent no matter how hard we try to push round pegs into square holes. The only way this dilemma can be resolved is if everyone is guilty and stands condemned before the Lord. Then free will becomes irrelevant, who cares what we decide, Hitler was bound for Hell, Saddam was bound for Hell, and guess what, you and I were both bound for Hell save for God's grace.

The only way God can be omnipotent is for man to be damaged, and the Bible reflects exactly this perspective. I never see anywhere in Scripture where man is in charge of God.

2007-02-18 15:06:42 · answer #5 · answered by ccrider 7 · 0 0

It's like this, God gives everyone a chance even though He already knows who is going to pass the test. Jesus said that "whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life".

So if you told a group of people that they were giving away free money at the park down town and you knew that most of them wouldn't believe you it wouldn't be your fault that only a few of them took advantage of the good news and went and collected.

It's the same with God and salvation. He tells us that He sent his son Jesus to pay our sin debt and if we believe Him then we won't have to pay it ourselves when it comes time for the judgment. Just because He already knows who is going to believe Him doesn't mean that each person doesn't have the free will to choose about the matter.

2007-02-18 00:02:02 · answer #6 · answered by Martin S 7 · 0 0

He created every person with the ability to choose to do right or wrong. It is not in His will that anyone should perish. After constantly turning to the wrong again and again, God gives you up to the evil because this is your choice. It is not predestined as you say. I find your comment about God on vacation offensive.

2007-02-17 23:56:29 · answer #7 · answered by froggsfriend 5 · 0 0

My religion is that God does not know what I will do. It is my choice. He says He will judge. Well how can you judge if you have caused the effect of me doing wrong?

Sorry, the idea of predestination resolves to being absurd.

In fact, it is materialism that resolves to being deterministic, not God. If there is no God, and all is cause and effect, then the material brain is constrained by the laws of the universe to be be bound by cause and effect. Thus, without God, you have no free will.

2007-02-18 00:17:19 · answer #8 · answered by Cogito Sum 4 · 0 0

Being all knowing means knowing everything there is to know. It is the opinion of many that the future is not here yet, and so it is not available to be known. Our human understandings do not always reflect reality. However, the mind is the tool YHVH gave us to figure things out, and if it is a bad or inadequate tool, then it might seem that He is unfair to insist that we cope having been given a bad tool. Therefore I believe the common understanding about how YHVH is all knowing is in error.

2007-02-18 00:02:01 · answer #9 · answered by hasse_john 7 · 0 0

whatever God did there will have a good side. there`s no doubt about it . yes God already know what choice you will make, but God want you to think the best,and you can also pray to God asking for help.

2007-02-18 00:47:59 · answer #10 · answered by Dayang Z 1 · 0 0

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