For the Christians, whose God is All Powerful and Wonderful... answer me this?

Question

You say God is All Powerful.
God is All Knowing.
God is Benevolent.
God is the Creator.

But Satan... my, how did he ever come into existance?

According to a good portion of you, Satan was originally Lucifer, who revolted against God and was sent into Hell.

Now, God hadn't seemed to be anticipating this. But isn't he All Knowing? And if Satan is evil, why would God create something that is evil, or that would turn evil without ANY OTHER INFLUENCE? Why not just destroy Satan?

Please, feel free to answer this. I'm highly intrigued to learn your logic.

Ah, and every Christian on here that doesn't answer lacks trust in their faith, without a doubt.

Right, Right, Free Will...

... Angels are described as being servants of God, without Free Will.

The suggestion that Lucifer could even rebel from God is contradictory itself. Something lacking free will cannot rebel. And if God's all powerful, Lucifer wouldn't be able to rebel anyway.

Answer 1

God gave satan free will. he knew what satan was capable of but chose not to create mindless followers.he wanted followers that chose to follow with there own free will. so why is it so hard to believe he gave hisangels free will as well!

Answer 2

That was almost as much of kitchen-sink collection of beliefs as the very Christians you seem to have a problem with.

First, not all Christians believe the same thing. Far from it. And taking ALL the beliefs and pretending one contradicts another based on what little verbal tradition you have heard is not a sane pursuit. It's the efforts of someone desperate to be proven right, not someone seeking the truth, wherever it will lead them.

Perhaps you are simply misinformed. Here are a few facts to set the record straight:

1) I am not a Christian; don't want to be.
2) Satan, in the Bible, is servant of God, and other than some verbal tradition that connects him with the "serpent", or with Lucifer (a 14th century mistaken translation of a Babylonian king being associated with Satan - they are not the same), Satan is almost always shown as a servant of God, with the exception of the New Testament.
3) "Satan" means "enemy". Jesus even uses the name against John at one point. Every reference to Satan may actually refer to several individuals.
4) Even if God is all-knowing, he may very well have created things that go "bad". He created us, theoretically, according to Christians. But he also gave us free-will, again, theoretically.
5) Your conception of angels being without freewill is, again, verbal tradition of some Christian sects, not what is in the Bible.
6) Finally, the appeal to Christians that if they don't answer YOU, they "lack trust in their faith without a doubt" is hubris. The very idea that somehow your clearly uneducated question requires a response or they must doubt their faith is an example of extreme self-absorbtion on your part, not a lack of faith on theirs.

You just aren't that important to most of us. Get over it.

Answer 3

I am NOT Christian...but I've always found this argument fascinating. I'm going to give you my uneducated (in scripture) philosophical take on it.......

I think this relates to some other arguments that have to be understood before this one can be tackled.

Is God saving us from Satan, or God punishing us by sending him to Satan.

This leads to an inherent contradiction as well....If god is loving, merciful, and all powerful......obviously he can save who ever he wants. So he is CHOSING to give those souls to Satan. Regardless of humans having free choice, an all powerful God can redeem who he wants.

If God is limited, or NOT all powerful, then Satan takes the souls he can....and God saves those that he can. If this God is in fact the correct one, then Satan voluntarily chose hell, and is a rival to God. Perhaps even a superior...since it would appear he has more influence, and will claim more souls, then God will.

The only explenation for God being all loving therefor....is if he's NOT all powerful, and is merely a cosmic rival to Satan.

So he's either all loving, but not all powerful, or all owerful, but not especially merciful.

One way of viewing it...and I blatantly am stealing this from a Neil Gaiman comic book.....is that God planned for Lucifer to rebel. Lucifer is part of God's plan all along.....BUT....mortals decide themselves where they go. God has little to do with that selection. Those that feel they deserve to be punished are, those that don't feel that way won't be. In this regard humans do have the ultimate free will....but Satan doesn't.

Answer 4

Some may ask: ‘If God is the good and loving Creator, how could he create a wicked spirit creature like Satan?’ The Bible lays down the principle that all of Jehovah God’s works are perfect and that all of his intelligent creatures are endowed with free will. (Deuteronomy 30:19; 32:4; Joshua 24:15; 1 Kings 18:21) The spirit person who became Satan must, therefore, have been created perfect and must have deviated from the way of truth and righteousness by deliberate choice.—John 8:44; James 1:14, 15.

Answer 5

No, God did not create sin. God is holy and He would not create that which is contrary to His nature. Sinfulness is the opposite of holiness. It is lawlessness (1 John 3:4). God is the author of the Law which is a reflection of His holy character (Exodus 20). Therefore, God cannot create that which is in direct violation of the Law any more than a person can wish himself to be bigger than the sun. It just isn’t possible.
But, if God didn’t create sin, then where did it come from? This is a question that has been debated by theologians and philosophers for many years. I cannot say that I have any better answers than they. Nevertheless, let me venture a guess.
God created the conditions where free will creatures would be able to make a choice between obedience and disobedience to God. This condition existed when God created an angel called Lucifer who was without sin yet, apparently, had free will. Lucifer chose to rebel against God and sin (Isaiah 14:12-15; Ezek. 28:13-15). Likewise, Adam and Eve, having been made by God without sin, listened to the devil and chose to sin against God (Gen. 3).
But God did not cause them to sin (James 1:13). In the freedom of their wills, each decided to rebel against God and sin entered the world (Rom. 5:12). God simply allowed the condition to exist where sin was possible.
In it's context, Ezekiel's prophecy against the ruler of Tyre appears to contain a veiled description of Satan as the true ruler of Tyre and as the god of this world. The king is described as having been a visitor to the garden of Eden, an 'anointed cherub', or angel, and a perfect creature in all his ways until unrighteousness was found in him. Because of his sinful pride, he was cast down from the mountain of God.

The destruction of Satan is foretold in many places in the Bible, most widely read in the book of Revelation. This will be the end of strife, and the beginning of peace and harmony of life the way that God meant it to be.

Answer 6

Lucifer rebelled against God. The other angels chose to worship God becuz He is the only one worthy of worship.

It seems to me that atheists are the ones who expect God to handle all their problems (assuming there is one). Questions like, "Why doesn't God heal amputees?' show a misconception of God. God doesn't solve all humanity's problems. We are responsible for our own decisions, not God. God helps people find meaning in their lives and in their problems. The thing about amputees is will they become bitter and give up on life or go on to make something of their lives, which God can help them do.

There is a war in heaven between Satan and God and humans are stuck in the middle of it. The war on earth is the war between good and evil in our lives.
When God destroys Satan, our lives here on earth will also be over as the 'rapture' will occur at that time. He hasn't come back yet because he is giving everyone an opportunity to have the opportunity to live forever by coming to the knowledge of the truth.


Edit: I don't know where you picked up that angels don't have free will. Could you cite chapter and verse?

Answer 7

Satan, evil, hate, greed, malice, revenge, death, and so on, do not exist in God. Period. God is good, infinite, and Spirit, so all must be spiritual in truth. So the only place evil can seem to exist is where then? Illusion seems real to the human mind, so the human race believes that all is material and that evil is a god. The human mind is a liar and the father of it, and includes everything unlike God. Christ came to show us that the human thought (mind) has no power over spiritual truth, the substance of all things. Good question :) So the answer is satan NEVER came into existence.

Answer 8

Whats this crap about angels having no free will, you obviously lack understanding on this subject, Angels have the same freewill as you and me, they can choose to rebel anytime they want, just the same as you, what do you think the demons are?, they are angels that chose to exercise their freewill and rebel against God. Free will is more important than you can possibly grasp by the sound of it. Think of it this way, how could you possibly love someone that was forced to love you and had no choice in the matter? would that love be sincere? no! you may as well build a robot with no soul and just program it to love you unquestionably, thats not love, true love is something that is expressed from the heart, not a robotic command. Love is only genuine when it is given by choice, it cannot be extracted by force or co-ersion.

Answer 9

yes why not. and why not destroy all humans who think they know better than a all powerful god. but here is the story. lucifer was a created being just like people but he did not have choice built in he learned it and took many other angels with him when he tried to battle god. and umm if you were a all powerful being that could create or destroy everything with but a thought would you really care if there were a "army" coming after you. or would you give your created creature the chance to repent and come back?

and as a side note im sorry for who ever beat you over the head with religion to the point you lash out in a internet chat room. there is no pushing people toward god unwillingly. some people just dont understand that. but whats wrong with thinking that at the end of this life people who are cruel and evil will get a just punishment for hurting others, and the good will get a reward. like the most recent mother who tried to drown her three children. one death is not enough for her. she will die and then she will see the awesome power of a perfect judge.

Answer 10

God is all knowing that is how he knew his archangel Lucifer was plotting and planning. That is why he was thrown out of heaven.

He is benevolent b/c he didn't destroy the angel.

He is the creator of all THINGS.

Human BEINGS are different than ANGELS. Different entities. Satan hates human BEINGS for many reasons, the first would be b/c of Gods love for us. Lucifer upon being cast out of heaven (have to understand the heaven I am talking b/c he created the heavens and the earth are something different) wanted to hurt God where he could. He deceived WOMAN which deceived MAN and Gods perfect creation would now someday perish. Before this deceit we were perfectly made in his image. After the fall, even God tried to destroy his disobedient creation with the flood. But he found favor in one, Noah. He promised to never do it again and with the new convenant gave us still yet a way to win over Lucifer, now Satan. Satan took other angels with him as well. So instead of Lucifer and fallen angels, it was now a war between God and angels, and Satan and his demons to win souls for either side.

Your not going to like this but it is another realm not to our understanding. Eve didn't understand what it meant when she ate and got Adam to eat. She didn't immediately die, but Satan knew. We were created with and this is where the phrase free will comes in, humans have free will for one reason and one reason only. We would be puppets if our Creator used a wand to direct our paths. We do have choices. He did that upon creation. You may eat from any tree in the garden but one, well we chose to disobey. Another reason Satan hates us is b/c God has found a way yet for us to be redeemed, by sending a redeemer.

Before God sent Jesus to die for our sins no one was going anywhere. Jesus paid a debt we couldn't pay being humans trying to get back to that spiritual world of walking and talking with God. Satan again knew this.

Satan knows also his time is limited. As we push closer to Jesus' return its harder and harder to get close to God.

My logic is based on my faith, the Bible, learning and experience.

Funny you would say a Christian that doesn't answer lacks trust in their faith but will use that same statement of my faith to say thats all it is, I have no proof.

I am just honestly answering your question.

God Bless

Answer 11

A great challenge, well here goes. I do not presume to know the intent of Almighty God but I know that all was created by Him and for Him and without Him was nothing created. I believe that Almighty God was seeing man and his end at the time of creation. Time has no meaning to God. All things were created to bring about His purpose. To me, and I could very well be wrong, all was created for mankind and for the time when mankind could be embraced by the Creator. It is the belief that if I had been the only person alive for all time, Jesus would have still died for me so that nothing would stand between me and Him.