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and can answer my question......


Are drumsticks and thighs ok....


please no kibble feeders.....and explaine your answers

2007-02-17 13:11:54 · 21 answers · asked by Anonymous in Pets Dogs

21 answers

Yes, chicken quarters are the staple of my dogs' diets. But apparently they don't have a great calcium/phosphorus ratio, so feeding a raw egg with the shell or other raw bones with more bone and less meat, like chicken necks and backs, is helpful. They also get canned mackerel and sardines (cheap and convenient), pork necks, beef kidney, chicken heart, and chicken gizzard for organ meat. I also supplement with some Innova EVO 95% rabbit or 95% venison once a week for an alternate protein source since I don't know anyone who raises rabbits or hunts regularly for deer.

PS: anyone who poo poos the raw diet doesn't understand anything about biology. Dogs and wolves have a virtually identical system. You don't evolve a new digestive system in the 60 years that commercial kibble has been around. You think wolves, coyotes, African wild dogs, and feral dogs get kibble every day? Dogs and cats very rarely get salmonella. For healthy dogs, it should not be a problem.

2007-02-17 13:17:03 · answer #1 · answered by Cave Canem 4 · 2 2

Yes drumsticks and thighs are fine to give raw, I give mine a whole raw chicken 2 to 3 times a week. The only problem with drumsticks and thighs are too much meat and not enough bone. You can give those when you are doing a meat day. Follow the next day with bones only. Raw bones do not splinter ONLY COOKED so never give any COOKED bones to your dog.
Get the book Give Your Gog a Bone by Ian Billinghurst it is a good book to read to understand how to correctly feed raw.

EDIT: I must add for those saying it will make the dog sick because of bacteria and salmonella, I buy and give my dogs the same beef, poultry, pork and meaty bones I would give my own family so If the dog is going to die so is my family. So before you answers questions you know nothing about research first.

My vet who also raises and breeds shepherds and has been doing so for 31 years is an advocate of raw feeding but I guess some know better then a vet who has extensive education and has studied nutrition. Once again opinion is NOT fact do some research before spewing opinions.
Although a dog may not be a wolf and has been domesticated it still has the genes and digestion of a wolf. Dogs can die of bloat from eating dry kibble and eating dry kibble does nothing to keep the teeth clean.

2007-02-17 13:48:36 · answer #2 · answered by Shepherdgirl § 7 · 2 1

The staple of my dogs raw diet is chicken leg quarters.

If you have a large dog I'd recommend feeding the whole leg quarter and not just drumsticks or thighs alone.

Make sure you are getting plenty of variety in the diet as well.

Here are some more raw feeding sites for more information.
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http://www.willowglen.com/barf.htm.........

http://www.bestfrisbeedogs.com/diets.htm...

http://www.rawlearning.com/rawfaq.html.....

http://www.rawfed.com/myths/index.html.....

http://www.rawdogranch.com


Miss Ginger, dogs can and do quite frequently choke on kibble as well. In fact dogs have DIED from choking on kibble, not one dog has been reported of dieing from choking on raw food.

As far as vaccines, do you get vaccinated every year? No probably not. Titer testing is a much healthier alternative.

No dogs aren't wolves, but they still have the digestive tracts to digest meat. Kibble is the actual "fad" here. Its only been around for say 70 years at best, what do you think dogs ate before kibble? And there is no way in hell 70 years is long enough to change an animals digestive tract to process cooked foods, when they were in fact designed to eat raw foods.

I suggest you do some research before calling raw feeders insane.

Nataly, please NEVER own a carnivorous pet such as a dog or cat. Its not fair to put your morals on them. They are not vegetarians, nor can they digest vegtables, they are CARNIVORES and must have meat to survive. You can be a vegan, but don't force your pet to be one.

2007-02-17 14:10:49 · answer #3 · answered by Bindi *dogtrainingbyjess.com* 7 · 2 1

Oh god, I hate this subject. So many dog owners are ignorant. They still believe their dogs are actual Wolves, and NOT domesticated dogs. What is the matter with all of these people?? They are the same people that believe annual vaccinations are unnecessary. Someday, this will all backfire on them because something tragic will happen to their dog while he is eating his daily raw diet. Most who feed raw fed according to a prey model diet. This is ludicrous!! How can anyone still believe that domesticated dogs have the desire or the need to hunt and eat their prey?
A dog can easily choke on raw bones or become sick from the enzymes on the meat.

There are alternatives to processed kibbles, but there are some incredibly high-quality kibbles on the market today which serve dogs very well.
If you refuse to feed kibble, you can easily make a wholesome home-cooked meal out of cooked chicken breast, cooked oatmeal, fresh fruits, cooked brown rice, cooked vegetables other than corn, as well as meats such as eggs, venison, veal, duck, and lamb.

Feeding raw and skipping vaccinations are both fads which will only end once enough dogs die or have serious health issues because of it.

2007-02-17 14:07:46 · answer #4 · answered by LiaChien 5 · 0 3

Here's a good site with all the info you need to know to raw feed your dog. Dogs are not vegetarians or vegans and a vegetarian diet is not healthy. My dogs were on a total raw diet and did great, better than ever, better health, beautiful skin and coat. Now they occasionally get raw food but kibble as a mainstay for convenience sake and that is good too.
This site will tell you all you need to know.
http://www.rawdogranch.com
People who feed their dog commercial dog food are largely feeding dogs slaughter house refuse meat and downer animal meat, factory reject meat, styrofoam, shrink wrap and all. When you raw feed you know the quality and freshness of the meat.
There are some great premium foods out on the market now, but I haven't found anything better than the raw diet or a partial raw diet at least.

2007-02-17 14:20:25 · answer #5 · answered by Anonymous · 2 1

Wow. People baffle me... With all the information we have available to us via new technology, it's incredible that myths like those from previous commenters here can still exist and be allowed to be perpetuated.

"In 1974, Earl Butz was secretary of agriculture under President Nixon. It was well known at the time that Salmonella posed a problem in poultry. Frustrated by reoccurring outbreaks, the American Public Health Association sued Butz, arguing that the USDA mark of inspection constituted misbranding because it did not warn consumers about Salmonella. USDA lawyers responded that the bacteria were so widespread in the environment that they could not be considered an adulterant. The agency said the public realized that raw meat and poultry were not sterile. “American housewives and cooks normally are not ignorant or stupid and their methods of preparing and cooking of food do not ordinarily result in salmonellosis," the USDA said.

The court agreed, setting a precedent that’s held ever since. To this day, the USDA considers Salmonella a natural organism on raw poultry. Cooks just need to avoid cross-contamination and ensure thorough cooking and everything will be fine, officials say."
Source: http://www.oregonlive.com/health/index.ssf/2013/10/post_76.html

Most chicken produced in the United States today contains Salmonella. As the above article suggests, the USDA has not required labeling for Salmonella in factory-produced chicken since the 70s. It's the reason we cook it prior to consumption. If the chicken you're about to feed your pet was farm-raised, and you raised it and slaughtered it yourself, you have a lower chance of Salmonella being present, but even that isn't 100% assured, and only a test would prove otherwise.
If, on the other hand, the chicken you're about to feed your pet was purchased in a grocery store, it is highly likely that it is infected with the bacteria, and that you are about to infect your pet if you feed it to them raw; and subsequently begin harming them if not killing them, slowly, because...
YES, of COURSE pets can get Salmonellosis, too.

Other Myths:
"Dogs and cats have different digestive systems that are stronger than humans, and protect them against Salmonella and salmonellosis".
NO! ...They REALLY DON'T!
Any semblance of their original "wild" digestive system has not only been bred out of them in the last centuries of domestication, but as well they have become used to and vulnerable to very similar diets to humans.
and
"It's the reason they've survived this long."
NO!... It's REALLY NOT!
Salmonella does NOT occur in nature frequently. Salmonella occurs most often in FACTORY SETTINGS, from pathogens which trace their origins back to poor sanitation practices and techniques.
And regardless of where Salmonella comes from, again, your domesticated dog is not a coyote, and your domesticated cat is not a mountain lion. And, again, if you are purposely providing Salmonella to your pet via raw, factory-produced meat, you ARE harming and/or killing them, slowly:

Salmonella infection in dogs:
http://www.petmd.com/dog/conditions/digestive/c_dg_salmonellosis#.UmHa40qUb40

Salmonella infection in cats:
http://www.petmd.com/cat/conditions/digestive/c_ct_salmonellosis#.UmHa6UqUb40

Salmonella in dog food sickens 14 people in U.S.:
http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/news/health/story/2012-05-04/dog-food-salmonella-outbreak/54748730/1

This is an old question answered by a series of uninformed opinions. However, being left unanswered by any authoritative source, these dangerous comments serve only to continue the potential for harm.
I truly hope no one has become sick, or that no pets have been lost to this gross misinformation.

2013-10-18 17:07:55 · answer #6 · answered by Anonymous · 0 0

chicken bones, pork bones are very dangerous because when your dog bites them the bones split (i tried to explain that prior to
this time), the split bones could injure your dogs stomach, your dog then could be bleeding inside, all that for some bones!!!!
i worked as a vet tech & trust me i have seen too many dogs being very sick just because their owners think dogs should eat
what their owner eat, well i hope i explained it to you good enough, what 's up with the comment "kibble feeders", dogs eat dog food
you eat chicken for churches, or from whatever fast food place
also the seasons on human food is not healthy for canines either
i can only hope this explains to you in detail the reason why NOT
to feed what you had in mind to feed........

2007-02-17 13:29:58 · answer #7 · answered by angela w 2 · 1 2

Raw?As in raw chicken?No i dont and i would not recomend it-though baked chicken is a favoirit among my dogs!Rawhide is also good traets and bones for dgs!As fot the drumstics and thighs-im not sure,call your vet and ask.Some dogs are ok with things like that as others are not!It all depends on your dog and his digestive system!Good luck,i hope this helped to answer your Q!

2007-02-17 13:17:41 · answer #8 · answered by Anonymous · 1 2

You really don't like your pet, do you? No, raw meats, fish and bird flesh are NOT appropriate foods for domestic pets. Detailed answers should not be necessary; any veterinarian will tell you this.

2007-02-17 13:17:02 · answer #9 · answered by Anonymous · 1 1

ok ignore anyone who says that raw feeding will harm your dog. after all...he is a DOG! i personally wouldn't use chicken bones because they are brittle and can splinter, therefore risking puncture wounds in the digestive tract. However, beef bones are awesome and I highly recommend them...especially the big ones with lots of marrow in them. My dog Ellie McPhlea loves them!

2007-02-17 13:20:09 · answer #10 · answered by denise_in_ohio 3 · 1 2

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