The Deity of Christ is being blasphemed from every segment of religion and non-religion. This is a crucial point and one battlefront satan is CONSTANTLY trying to win. Using a Bible version that either denies it or doesn't make it clear is to the ADVANTAGE of the anti-Christ spirit. Shouldn't we be unified in this? The world loves to use the differences in versions to pervert the truth of Christ. Why aid and abette the enemy in his work??
""Christ Jesus, who although He existed in the form of God, did not consider equality with God something to be held onto, but emptied Himself, taking the form of a bond-servant, and being made in the likeness of men. "
compare with; "KJV; 6Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:
7But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men:"
http://www.av1611.org/kjv/knowkjv.html
Theres much more evidence to reveal that the newer perversions are loved
2007-02-17 12:00:51 · 17 answers · asked by Lovin' Mary's Lamb 4 in Society & Culture ➔ Religion & Spirituality
by all who would deny the Deity of Christ. Seems those anti-Christ spirits of false prophesy, blasphemy, deception, etc. are at work already?
2007-02-17 12:01:55 · update #1
Most serious Bible readers I know use several versions and translations. None of the people that I know who use the NIV or NASB are in any doubt as to the divinity of Christ. I am sorry that there is this "King James Only" faction within the church. They've done a lot to keep us bickering amongst ourselves. I don't know who it was who started this, but he reminds me of the guy in 1st Timothy: "...doting about questions and strifes of words, whereof cometh envy, strife, railings, evil surmisings..." Using the KJV is a tradition in many churches, but it's not a commandment from God.
Do you use the original King James, or one of the many revisions? The original "authorized" version contains the Apocrypha. The current one was revised in the 18th century. The KJV is based on a translation by a Catholic called Stephanus, by the way.
Finally, regarding the deity of Christ, tell me which of the following show a more literal depiction of Jesus as God.
JOHN 1:18
No one has ever seen God, but God the One and Only,who is at the Father's side, has made him known.(NIV)
or...
No man hath seen God at any time, the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him.(KJV)
TITUS 2:13
looking for the blessed hope and the appearing of the glory of our great God and Savior, Christ Jesus,(NASB)
or....
Looking for that blessed hope, and the glorious appearing of the great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ;(KJV)
2 Peter 1:1
To those who through the righteousness of our God and Savior Jesus Christ have received a faith as precious as ours:(NIV)
or...
to them that have obtained like precious faith with us through the righteousness of God and our Saviour Jesus Christ:(KJV)
See? These other translations/versions make no mistake concerning the divinity of our Lord Jesus. You aren't being rebellious if you research this for yourself. Even the apostle Paul commended the Bereans for checking his sermons out against scripture. He didn't demand blind obedience to his teachings.
So please tell your King James only friends that they aren't doing God a service by hammering this wedge between believers. Remember, we aren't saved by the letter, but by the Spirit.
May God bless you and keep you always.
2007-02-18 11:09:35 · answer #1 · answered by celebduath 4 · 0⤊ 0⤋
Lets have a look at those 12 arguments, and where they fall down (just a few of the easier ones)
1: "God Promised to Preserve His Words". Uses passages from that translation of the bible as proof for the validity of the same translation of the bible. Circular argument
2: "The Authorized Version Was Translated Under A God-Ordained English King". If I translated it again with the Queen of Englands authorisation, would it be somehow better than if I translated identically without her permission? No. Authorisation does nothing to prove accuracy.
3: "Because It Has No Copyright". What has that got to do with anything? If I copyright something it doesn't make it any more or any less right.
4: "Because God Always Translates Perfectly". The ALL translations are perfect translations, unless you have the presupposition that God only translated the KJV version.
5: "Because It Produces Good Fruit". Have you seen nothing negative from people using the KJV? Nothing positive from people using other religions?
6: "Because the King James Translators Believed They Were Handling the Very Words of God". As do other translators
7: "Because the King James Translators Were Honest In Their Work". As were other translators
(8, and 9, I am not a christian or a biblical scholar, so I don't know enough about the history of versions of the bible)
10: "Because No One Has Ever Proven That the KJV is Not God's Word". Ahhh, innocent until proven guilty. I hope you apply that standard to all other translations too.
(11, I am not a christian or a biblical scholar, so I don't know enough about the history of versions of the bible)
12: "Because It Exalts the Lord Jesus Christ". So do all other versions.
2007-02-17 12:26:57 · answer #2 · answered by Tom :: Athier than Thou 6 · 1⤊ 0⤋
I have read the Bible cover to cover at least a dozen times in at least one half dozen versions including the KJV. I never had any difficulty seeing the divinity of Christ in any of these versions. All versions have their weaknesses, including the KJV, as in the above passage where it says "Made Himself of no reputation."
The Greek says: alla heauton ekenosen; literally, "but Himself emptied".
If you really want to be accurate, go back to the original Greek text. If you are unfamiliar with Greek, you can get a Greek/English Interlinear Bible.
2007-02-17 12:24:32 · answer #3 · answered by Anonymous · 1⤊ 0⤋
Romans 9:5 (King James Version) 5Whose are the fathers, and of whom as concerning the flesh Christ came, who is over all, God blessed for ever. Amen. Romans 9:5 (New American Standard Bible) 5whose are the fathers, and from whom is the Christ according to the flesh, who is over all, God blessed forever. Amen.
2016-05-23 23:57:47 · answer #4 · answered by Anonymous · 0⤊ 0⤋
They all do, even though the wording might be a little different.
"...CHRIST JESUS...being in the FORM OF GOD, thought it not robbery to be EQUAL WITH GOD: But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men: And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross."
--Philippians 2:5-8
"For unto us A CHILD IS BORN, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, THE MIGHTY GOD, THE EVERLASTING FATHER, The Prince of Peace."
--Isaiah 9:6
"In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and THE WORD WAS GOD. The same was in the beginning with God. All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made. In him was life; and the life was the light of men. And THE WORD WAS MADE FLESH, AND DWELT AMONG US, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth."
--John 1:1-4, 14
"And Thomas answered and said unto him [JESUS], My Lord and MY GOD."
--John 20:28
Cheers!
2007-02-17 12:07:03 · answer #5 · answered by iamwhoiam 5 · 2⤊ 0⤋
It is interesting that there are great similarities between such ancient texts as the Code of Hammurabi and the Bible. The Code of Hammi being much clearer and erudite than the Bible.
There are some pre-Biblical tests that bear a strong poetic similarity with similar themes.
None of the ancient texts comes close to the Bible for justifying the financial aggrandizement of the priesthood.
I do like the references in Leviticus to taking of slaves and have thought about going to Michigan to loot and pillage.
The best verse is Exodus 22:18 "Thou shalt not suffer a witch to live." It has been a hunting license for centuries that is hard to beat.
2007-02-17 12:11:03 · answer #6 · answered by valcus43 6 · 0⤊ 2⤋
KJV. New Living Translation, NIV, American Standard Version....
2007-02-17 12:27:31 · answer #7 · answered by charmaine f 5 · 0⤊ 0⤋
John 13:3 - Jesus knowing that the Father had given all things into his hands, and that he was come from God, and went to God;
2007-02-17 12:14:02 · answer #8 · answered by deacon 6 · 1⤊ 0⤋
Revelation 22:18
For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book:
Revelation 22:19
And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.
God predicted all this would happen before it happened. Do not give too much credit to Satan because for those of us who know the Bible we should be rock solid in our foundation and for those who are unsure should pray that God will lead them in the right direction. Satan was put here to confuse, destroy, steal, and murder. As long as you pray and watch your steps He will show you the way and put you on solid ground. Then you can help lead the way to those whom are confused. As for those who add and take away,WOE to the men/women who are not prepared for His coming and His wrath from this warning.
2007-02-17 12:19:22 · answer #9 · answered by MJ 1 · 2⤊ 0⤋
I don't think I've ever seen a Bible that wasn't clear on Jesus' deity (not saying I've checked them all). In fact, the first passage you quoted seems a little clearer on that point than the second.
2007-02-17 12:20:20 · answer #10 · answered by Anonymous · 1⤊ 1⤋