Evolutionists: can any of you answer the question: if God didn't create it, how did it get here?

Question

Since God didn't create anything, where did it come from? If you say that there has always been something there can you prove that also?

( I am talking in regards to the creation of the universe )

if candle burns out where does the energy from the flame go? can you still trace its amounts of energy forever?

" The answer is.....Bang " believeing that takes faith & ignorance

Answer 1

Actually I have to amend KC Superstar's comment. Creation ex nihilo is permitted as long as conservation applies. Thus particle pairs are constantly being created like that quark/anti-quark pair over there. Missed it. Its gone again. The creation of the universe is thought to conserve through one of two mechanisms. Either there is a balance between the energy and matter created such that it nets out to zero or there are actually multiple universes created at once which in total net to zero. The event which caused this universe to begin is unknown at this time.

Note that if you want to posit that your god exists outside this universe and is himself subject to creation then I don't mind granting him creator status. Plenty of SF books have been written about how we or some alien species achieves the technology to create universes. There are even some which posit that we already have created universes in some of our colliders. The problem with the god idea is that a universe is a closed system. If god is on the outside creating it then he can't interact with it after creation.

Answer 2

The Big Bang became the current favorite because two scientists using this model were able to correctly predict the background radiation. What is overlooked is at least one prominent scientist using this model incorrectly predicted the background radiation.
A lot of people forget the value of a theorem is that it can be used to make predictions and explain observed behavior. If the theorem is correct, the predictions will be found to be true, if the theorem isn't correct then the predictions will be found wanting.
Presumably the Big Bang theory is still used because scientists are still able to explain the behavior of the observable universe with it and make predictions which are later shown to be correct.
This doesn't mean that God didn't create the Universe, it just means the currently favored theorems of "how we got here" used by the majority of scientists don't show this.

Answer 3

There is an intimate link between Creation and Evolution and that is the element of time ! The world exploded or was created between 13 to 14 billion years ago. Some theorize this was a random event, others believe it was a deliberate event. Everything else followed therefrom, the cooling of this incandescent mass, agglomerating into clouds of hot gaseous matter, then a molten mass, solidifying into rock, the steam into vapour, then into water, etc.etc. Then organisms were born, developing gradually but uninterruptedly right up to mankind through a development system which scientists call evolution. This was not a linear process but a branching out into ramifications etc. I believe that the Big Bang or Genesis came out of nothing, or rather it was changed from one state into another. This is difficult to imagine because it is unimaginable to make something out of nothing, but the laws that apply on earth, need not also apply elsewhere. Capito ?

Answer 4

I understand your question makes sense to you. But to me, saying "God created the universe" just begs the question: Where did God come from? It's like saying the Universe ends with a big brick wall. Well, what's behind it then? Another wall? Or a big, green field with pink unicorns?

If God has 'always' existed, or if time has no meaning to God, then can you not say the same thing about the Universe?

Saying it's because of God is nothing but an easy way out. You can still attribute actions to God (if you wish), but something must have happened. What? Big Bang doesn't quite explain that, either, but it's the best we've got so far.

Answer 5

What's this got to do with evolution?
Evolution doesn't talk about the creation of life, the world, or the universe. Many people (except the fanatical, cave dwelling lunatics here in the good ol' USA), believe god created the universe, and also believe that evolution is a proven and valid theory.

Answer 6

Here's what someone said on another site:

"The 1st law of thermodynamics states that energy can neither be created nor destroyed. This in itself implies that some sort of energy has been around forever. Energy itself however requires other properties to exist as well. For example, take the electromagnetic spectrum: most types of energy we know can be placed within this spectrum. It contains gamma rays, x-rays, ultraviolet light, our visual light spectrum, infrared (heat), microwave, radio and audio energy. All these types of energy need 2 more properties: time and physical space (for the wavelength and amplitude). The same goes for movement; movement is a change in physical location measured over a period of time. So with this argument it can be shown that energy, time and space have existed forever. "

Answer 7

I went to a scientific web site and copied these words. Sums it up well.


About 15 billion years ago a tremendous explosion started the expansion of the universe. This explosion is known as the Big Bang. At the point of this event all of the matter and energy of space was contained at one point. What exisisted prior to this event is completely unknown and is a matter of pure speculation. This occurance was not a conventional explosion but rather an event filling all of space with all of the particles of the embryonic universe rushing away from each other.

Answer 8

Evidence for a young world
Actually, 90 percent of the methods that have been used to estimate the age of the earth point to an age far less than the billions of years asserted by evolutionists. A few of them:

Red blood cells and hemoglobin have been found in some (unfossilized!) dinosaur bone. But these could not last more than a few thousand years—certainly not the 65 million years from when evolutionists think the last dinosaur lived.14

The earth’s magnetic field has been decaying so fast that it couldn’t be more than about 10,000 years old. Rapid reversals during the flood year and fluctuations shortly after just caused the field energy to drop even faster.15

Helium is pouring into the atmosphere from radioactive decay, but not much is escaping. But the total amount in the atmosphere is only 1/2000th of that expected if the atmosphere were really billions of years old. This helium originally escaped from rocks. This happens quite fast, yet so much helium is still in some rocks that it couldn’t have had time to escape—certainly not billions of years.16

A supernova is an explosion of a massive star—the explosion is so bright that it briefly outshines the rest of the galaxy. The supernova remnants (SNRs) should keep expanding for hundreds of thousands of years, according to the physical equations. Yet there are no very old, widely expanded (Stage 3) SNRs, and few moderately old (Stage 2) ones in our galaxy, the Milky Way, or in its satellite galaxies, the Magellanic clouds. This is just what we would expect if these galaxies had not existed long enough for wide expansion.17

The moon is slowly receding from earth at about 1-1/2 inches (4cm) per year, and the rate would have been greater in the past. But even if the moon had started receding from being in contact with the earth, it would have taken only 1.37 billion years to reach its present distance. This gives a maximum possible age of the moon—not the actual age. This is far too young for evolution (and much younger than the radiometric ‘dates’ assigned to moon rocks).18

Salt is pouring into the sea much faster than it is escaping. The sea is not nearly salty enough for this to have been happening for billions of years. Even granting generous assumptions to evolutionists, the seas could not be more than 62 million years old—far younger than the billions of years believed by evolutionists. Again, this indicates a maximum age, not the actual age.

Answer 9

It more falls to, were did god come from? If he was always there, how can you prove it? Yes, you have to have faith in some form for anything. I have faith my newspaper made it on time, even if I was not waiting at the door for it right at 6:00am. I have faith that the basics of evolution are correct. I cannot stretch it to cover a magic creature, that is all powerful, all knowing, all everything, but will not be bothered to appear in person since its book was at the midpoint....

Answer 10

Your question has nothing to do with evolution.

Biological evolution does not cover the origins of life or the origins of the universe. These are two completely different areas of science.

Also, there is no such thing as an 'evolutionist'. This is a term created by some extremist religious nutcases to try to suggest that this branch of biological science required faith to believe in. This is propaganda.

And, being science, please direct such questions to the science section of Yahoo! Answers in future.