How Can Liberals Be Pro-Environment and "Pro-Undocumented Worker" At The Same Time?

Question

Undocumented workers are destroying the environment. California alone has 3 million of them. Each one of them has to flush a toilet at least once aday. And if the guest worker program passes congress then each one will be allowed to drive gasoline burning cars.

Undocumented workers make 300,000 babies a year. After just 20 years those babies will be old enough to make more babies.

NASA is predicting future water shortages in the SouthWest area of the U.S.

More information:

UNDOCUMENTED WORKERS HAVE LARGER FAMILIES IN THE U.S. THAN IN MEXICO
"Among Mexican immigrants in the United States, for example, fertility averages 3.5 children per woman compared to 2.4 children per women in Mexico."
http://www.cis.org/articles/2005/back1105.html

Also, most people in Mexico don't drive.

Environmental group against undocumented workers.
"Worst of all, the U.S. population continues to grow by about 3 million people per year, of which nearly half are immigrants, and two-thirds of the growth is a result of immigration, if the children of immigrants are included. Our forests continue to be clearcut to provide construction materials, our groundwater is depleted to provide water for our growing population, we grow more and more dependent on foreign sources of oil, and we are unable to reduce our output of greenhouse gases, all thanks to our burgeoning population"

"SUSPS® is a network of Sierra Club activists who support a comprehensive approach to environmentalism within the Sierra Club"
http://www.susps.org/

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Not many of the people coming here from Mexico used toilets in Mexico. Most just used ground holes in their backyards.

More information: People in 1st world (U.S.) countries use more enviromental resources than people in 3rd world countries(Mexico). Using simple reasoning skills it is easy to deduct that stopping 3rd world people from moving into a 1st world country will help the environment.

Answer 1

I think you hit the nail on the head. They should let illegals have Amnesty if they agree to:

1) Pay 2x the state and federal income tax that an American would on the same earnings for their 1st 20 years
2) Agree to become sterilized

Answer 2

and you think that a measly 300 000 people are going to have MORE of an effect than the greediest state on the planet????

wake up and smell the coffee. you're nothing but a short sighted, narrow-minded racist who can't see the forest for a few (undocumented) trees. why do you think they risk EVERYTHING to come to the US in the first place? Because they see YOU living the easy life and want some of it for themselves! Is this such a wrong attitude to hold? I think it's human nature to see that the grass is greener on the other side of the fence. Grass which is greener because Californians (like my own people - australians) can't abide by the Natural environment (which is desert!!!!) so they waste perfectly good DRINKING WATER on their patch! And what a fence it is, too!

The Sierra Club's manifesto calls for a COMPREHENSIVE approach. not just "shoot the Mexicans".

Maybe you should go and talk to an undocumented worker and see what their lives are like.

Ask them why they have more kids than the average....i reckon you'll find the answer is that they're incredibly worried about the fact that if they were at home, their kids would die within sight of the GREEDIEST and most consumptive nation on the Earth, bar none.

Love and Light,


Jarrah

Answer 3

If they only use a toilet once a day and "don't make babies'' until they're 20 then they are much easier on the environment than most Americans.
I suggest that for every undocumented worker we send 1 American to a foreign country.Within 10 years I predict we will then be the most ecologically advanced nation on the planet.

Answer 4

I have no problem with legal immigrants but until legal people are made to stop hiring and until illegal immigrants are denied access to anything such as credit, loans, social services, etc., they will continue to arrive here in the land of opportunity.

Take away the incentives for them to come and they won't come. If I were to hire an illegal and lost my business as a result, then if I started a new business I'd be certain not to hire illegals. We need to put the teeth in enforcement where it will do the most good. Persecuting or prosecuting the low level immigrant hired by a rich farmer or agri-business won't stop them from coming here. HUGE damaging fines levied against those that hire them will stop it.

One other thing, you asked how can liberals be pro-illegal immigrant and pro-environment. I say illegal vice undocumented because essentially it is illegal, but that is a moot point. The liberal or conservative political mindset is for anything that will benefit them even if they have to talk out of both sides of their mouths.

Liberals will slaughter an entire industry for spotted owls rather than compromise and use efficient eco friendly logging methods. Conservatives will allow clear cutting and pay for construction of roads etc., such that the logger is essentially given free lumber to sell. Both are wrong.

Liberals need to lighten up and conservatives need to stop selling our birth right.

Answer 5

Sorry, i've got no longer time to examine the finished spiel. yet certainly some (notice 'some') women human beings given the criminal staggering to make the alternative will certainly choose for to to have an abortion and as a effect reason the dying of a foetus, if the being pregnant or the belief of having to elevate a infant is unwelcome to them. on the different hand the 'professional-lifers' tension ladies who've been raped to hold the consequent infant. the two circumstances are unwelcome and purely your very own ethics can choose on your very own place.

Answer 6

The "environment" isn't limited to the United States. All people should be held accountable for toilet flushing and vehicle driving and too-many-babies having behavior, regardless of which side of any border they were born on.

Answer 7

How does this make any logical sense?
This reminds me a lot of the satirical essay "A Modest Proposal" (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_Modest_Proposal)by Jonathon Swift. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jonathan_Swift)


Where to curb the population growth of the under class he proposes eating their babies. I don't remember the exact details but I do know that it was one of those things that was taken much to seriously by way too many people (not that I have heard anything about the British eating Irish babies)

Answer 8

Well---unlike cons, liberals aren't racists. That enables us to look at the situation objectively. And it enables us to concentrate on real problems, instead of wasting our time trying to find scapegoats and making up lies about them.

For example--the water problem isn't due to some undocument workers--its due to the fact that more water is wasted on things like watering the lawns in middle class (white) neighborhods than for any other purpose.

But that doesn't stop cons from trying to shift the blame to someone--anyone--besides themselves.

Answer 9

Undocumented workers would be going to the toilet and having babies no matter where in the world they were.

Answer 10

I don't know, since documented workers don't go to the toilet or have babies, I guess.

How can someone be "pro-military" and send them to die in Iraq, at the same time?