Why do Christians call strangely shaped object in Mount Ararat Noah's Ark instead of Gilgamesh's Ark?

Question

Just like Christians made up the gospels by taking points from myths of Osris-Horus, Mithras and Dionysus they made up the story of Noah's Ark by copying the story of Gilgamesh flood myth. Gilgamesh is an ancient Sumerian mythical hero. There is a story similar to Noah's Ark flood there. Chritians had introduced some racialism into that story with things like curse of Ham and blacks are the slaves of the wights. Shouldn't we say Gilgamesh's ark instead of Noah's Ark?

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Answer 1

No.
First of all, the Ark belonged to Utnapishtim, not Gilgamesh. Second, there is no such thing as religious plagarism. Third, very, very few Christians actually think that an odd-shaped rock on a mountain in Turkey is actually Noah's. Fourth, Utnapishtim's Ark came to rest on Bahrain, not Ararat. Fifth, Gilgamesh is a Babylonian hero. A small part of his story actually incorporates the older Sumerian account (which is no longer extent).

I wonder - Christians generally acknowledge the existence of the Roman Empire. But the history of Rome is based on pre-Christian sources. Does that imply that Christians cannot repeat Roman history, or incoporate Roman history into their own religious naratives without invalidating their own claims?

Answer 2

The Epic of Gilgamesh was an intentionally fictionalized epic story that celebrated much older traditions.

Below I've given you a link to a flood story at least 200 years older than the Epic. You'll notice that it's a lot closer to the Bible's version, though it's still an obvious elaboration of an older story.

The Bible's flood story was intentionally written in a matter-of-fact style that has very few elements that can be called "mythical". There are no hero's running a thousand miles in a single day, no one swims to the bottom of the ocean to find a plant of immortality, no one crosses mythical barriers into paradise, no one fights the Beast of the Cedar Forrest, and no one has an affair with a goddess.

In fact, the only real element of the Bible's flood story that can be considered mythical is the mention of the existence of God. Everything else was already happening in southern Iraq in that time period. The Sumerians were already building boats waterproofed with bitumen, they were already traveling on the open seas not far from shore and trading with lands from India to Egypt, and thus they were already loading the boats with cargo, including imported exotic animals with feeding arrangements for journeys of 1-3 months.

(This would indicate that the story in Genesis is much older than the Epic of Gilgamesh and the Sumerian Flood Story. As stories come into popular use by religions they take on religious elements. As they're celebrated, they take on mythical elements. It's not the other way around. The entertaining features are not abandoned as time passes, they're added, and the story does not somehow shrink, it grows.)

Answer 3

The flood story is common to many cultures. India and even South America all have accounts of a great flood. Although you are right about Paul (Saul) borrowing many aspects from other religions (The Mythras/Nativity being one example), Noah is a Hebrew story. It is from the Old Testament and therefore pre-dates Christ by a few millenia.

Many Hebrews were taken as hostage when the Persians conquered them. These hostages were taken to Babylon, which may/may not explain the Gilgamesh conection. However, the Torah (Basis for Christian Old Testament) was, according to the Jews, dictated, word for word, to Moses by God.

You are looking at a Middle Eastern religion. There will be commonalities (Although I think Moses should have gone hunting the Red Bull, that would have been fun).

Answer 4

a million. precisely which mountains are the mountains of Ararat? whether the call has presently been related to a particular mountain, there is not any info that it grew to become into referred to as that for the time of historical cases or perchance some hundred years in the past. 2. quite some "Christian" companies frequently from the u . s . a . have claimed that Ararat is in diverse places. they have a tendency to attempt to shout one yet another down. working excursion events to their very own ark region is a superb little earner and you do no longer p.c. all people else announcing that your Ararat isn't the actual Ararat. 3. the place is the self sufficient affirmation? the place are the measurements of lengths, suitable places, maps, plans of the region and so on that archaeologists mechanically produce? so lots greater paintings is mandatory. finding some wood on a mountain someplace which could be Ararat isn't sturdy adequate via a protracted way. Neither are some dozen frames of video shot in what may well be a barn in New Jersey or a shed in Hong Kong, or some wood planted on the region till now to wow the suckers. 4. So the wood has been carbon dated has it? the place does that depart the persistent lies informed via youthful-Earth creationists approximately carbon relationship? Hmm? 5. the finished enterprise interior the direction of the previous century or so has been crammed with fakery and fraud. i'm having a threat that this one will flow the way of all of the others 6. If the folk who set this up enable actual scientists or scholars everywhere close to this i'd be quite shocked. in my view i think of that's a job for detectives. There are already claims that the explorers have extracted $a hundred,000 from somebody with an settlement to return it if it grew to become into no longer used. Claimant says it grew to become into no longer used yet has no longer been back. Will there be a court docket case? perchance. does no longer be the 1st time Noah's ark thoughts have ended up in court docket. 7. I refer you to "The remarkable Discovery of Noah's Ark" screened via CBS in 1993 and revealed to be a hoax via the l. a. cases later that 3 hundred and sixty 5 days. there grew to become right into slightly wood too, American pine soaked in teriyaki sauce and microwaved via George Jammal and sent to the Institute for creation study, who heavily did no longer envision his tale out.

Answer 5

Christians didn't make up the Gospels from the story of Osirus-Horus and a quick examination will show why. Osirus was killed by his evil brother Set, who chopped him up into pieces. Isis collect the pieces, minus one eye that she couldn't find, causes his corpse to have an erection, has sex with him, gives birth to his son Horus, who then slays Set out of revenge. Not exactly the same story, now is it?

The story of the flood occurs in many cultures and was an actual even that occured at the end of the last ice age. Many cultures on earth have some kind of memory of it, and a similar flood account. Noah's flood was probably a local event. if anything, finding the story repeated throughout other cultures would add to the validity of it. We can call it that if you wish. I think most people will call it Noah's Ark since that name they're familliar with.

Oh, nice touch adding the racism jab. Yes, some people twisted the story to justify racism. But there are even atheists that were racists. H.P. Lovecraft, Darwin, Patricia Highsmith, are just a few that come to mind. Rather than try to blame atheism on their racism as you seem to do with Christianity, I will say they were products of their environment, as were the Christians that tried to twist the story of Cain to justify slavery.

Answer 6

No.

QUOTE Many skeptics assert that the Bible must be wrong, because they claim that the Ark could not possibly have carried all the different types of animals. This has persuaded some Christians to deny the Genesis Flood, or believe that it was only a local flood involving comparatively few local animals. But they usually have not actually performed the calculations. On the other hand, the classic creationist book The Genesis Flood contained a detailed analysis as far back as 1961.1 A more detailed and updated technical study of this and many other questions is John Woodmorappe’s book Noah’s Ark: a Feasibility Study.
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Answer 7

Yes probably. But, try to get all the Christians to admit it's not Noah's ark or story!

Answer 8

Man you need to come back to earth. Ask Scottie to beam you down, actually spock is pretty clued up he could read your mind and tell you without looking that you definitely need scottie to beam you down and while hes at it i'll tell him to throw you a vocabulary chart parachute thingy for free.

Answer 9

you have to remember 2 things. I most of them don't know who Gilgamesh was. 2. Even if they did , since he is not part of the beleif system they wouldn't include the name anyway.

Answer 10

the wights? ....hey, are they that new family that just built that big house on the other side of town? yeah i heard about them.