Evolutionists/Old Earth believers?

Question

Ok, since we are asking un-answerable questions, I am gonna throw some out.

May 18, 1980, the eruption of mount St. Helen. Lava Dome dated by radio-metric @ 2.8 million years. This is just one example; please do not quote me radio-carbon dating's on fossils, and the like.

You may interpret the fossil record in your favor, but only if you totally dis-regard the effects that a world-wide flood would have upon the earth. This flood was not believed to have happened by secular scientists until very recently, and even now they fail to consider it when formulating "opinions" based upon geological evidence. They will say it happened millions of years ago. Why? Because that is the only way it can fit into their mold.

One foundation of evolution is survival of the fittest. Why then, are the 20 foot sloths and the wooly mammoth's dead and the modern day elephants and much smaller sloths here? Did they evolve down? Doesn't make alot of sense...

According to an article published January 5th (2000) by the Reuters News Service, doctors in Taiwan recently performed surgery on a 76 year-old woman. In her abdomen they discovered a fossilized fetus that had been conceived forty-six years ago. The report asserted that only three such cases have been recorded in history. The tiny fetus (0.7 ounce) had solidified into a rock-like substance, hardened by calcium buildup.
Fossils do not require millions of years to form.

As comets pass by a Sun, solar power partially blows them apart and they eventually disintegrate altogether. Considering the observable rate of disintegration, scientists realize that all short term comets would be gone in 10,000 years, yet we have 5 million still orbiting in our solar system. Evolutionists explain this by using the theory of the comets' nest (Oort Cloud). This theory states that there is a big nest of comets orbiting out there somewhere and as stars pass by it, they suck comets out, and that's why we still have comets. Absolutely no data exists to substantiate this theory.

Photons move out from the Sun in straight lines and the force impedes forward motion of objects, eventually slowing to a point that the Sun's gravity will pull it in. Therefore, this action cleans up the solar system. Also this effect would sort out and disperse meteor streams in accordance with the mass of individual objects in the stream. From photos taken outside of our atmosphere, we find no dispersion at all. The Sun is surrounded by a lot of cosmic dust that should have been swept away by the Sun's gravity long ago, if the Sun is of great age. Other stars, larger and stronger than our Sun are still surrounded by dust also.

If the rock layer was built up over millions of years, why do we not find meteorite fossils in the lower layers?

Oil deposits dissipate slowly through sedimentary rock due to porosity in the surrounding rock. If the deepest wells with the highest pressure were even 5000 years old, in some cases there would be no pressure at all.

Ok, we have established that there are questions on both sides of the issue. Now, can we stop asking these questions because they really are kind-of pointless. If God made the world recently, then his power most certainly is beyond our understanding and the questions we ask are of very little relevence, if any. On the other hand, if God did not create the world, then the scientists still have ALOT of explaining to do, and I hope their next theory is better than the Big Bang or string theory, (and just as entertaining).

Answer 1

They have a religion. It is evolution and no existance of God. No amount of proof will ever change their minds. If Jesus appeared today and performed maricles they would say copperfield did it too. There is no convincing them otherwise. You provided some nice facts though, a lot of information that I have never heard.

Answer 2

Crystaline inclusion in the rock from Mount Saint Helens were not newly created. Some mineral components dated to 2,8 million years (with a whole rock sample age of 0.34 million years) using a technique that does not apply to samples under 2 million years.

We have observed several long period comets be transformed to short period comets after close passes by Jupiter. Of course, the most striking comet to interact with Jupiter was Shoemaker-Levy 9, which was captured by Jupiter's gravity and eventually collided with Jupiter..

The Voyager 1 satellite reached the heliopause 8.7 billion miles from Earth. The fact that dust is introduced into the solar systems does not change this.

Your facts are wrong and deceptive. Get over it. The solar system is billions of years old and universe is even older.

Answer 3

There is very little in this that has anything to do with real science. Example: the term "fossil" can refer to anything that was calcified; the fossils found in nature were mostly (but not always) formed over millions of years. Nothing resembling the biblical flood has ever occurred during the entire life of the planet. And evolution is a proven fact (details on request). The scientific data is clear, unambiguous, and consistent, from a dozen different disciplines, and can be argued against only by someone who is ignorant of the facts.

Answer 4

I am amazed at your creative misuse of irrelevant information to provide a sprite of hope to your archaic views.

You are proof that if you want to believe something bad enough, you can rationalize anything to make sense. A calcified fetus is a fossil? Quite a stretch for the rest of us. And yes- of course some animals evolve to be smaller. Large animals require tremendous calories and don't survive long when food gets scarce.

Your geology premises are incorrect as well. There *are* ancient meteorites, for instance.

there are not rational arguments on both sides. Evolution is not some fly-by-night theory, but has been completely and unequivocally proved over 150 years of peer reviewed scientific work. There is NO debate in the scientific community. Only the religious community, desperate to hang on to some thread of credibility, takes ridiculous ill-informed pot-shots at science- not with the intention of convincing scientists, but only their feeble minded followers.

Answer 5

a fossilized fetus?

you mean preserved.

simply having a rock that size inside a human being would kill them. Not to mention being immediately detectable. Stop playing hard and fast with words.

as for sloths that's a dumb argument. Many animals became smaller and many became larger to adapt to their habitat.


as for Mt St Helen it would not shock me that such extreme pressures and heat might affect readings.

What dose that have to do with rocks in non volcanic areas that have not been touched for hundreds of thousands of years?

as for a world wide flood... You have to prove it.

as for the dust. back that source.

now please explain how light from starts that are millions of light years away reaching us now?

why is their cosmic radiation that is scattered throughout the Universe pointing to a Big Bang?



as for questions on both sides. No your wrong of that I am sure.

G-d did not create the Universe to way to trick us as a test.

you have to remember who were the original recipients of the Bible (kind of being there I would know) were not able to understand the world in terms of Billions of years. So it was simplified in to six "days" or stages. If you want to believe an explanation given to early bronze age men go ahead.

Answer 6

You've packed a crap load of questions into one. I'll answer the bit about extinctions.

Evolution is directional but not deterministic. In other words, there is no definition of being more evolved. There is a defnition of being more specialized -- but many species specialize themselves right into extinction. So to answer your question, the reason ground sloths died off and tree sloths survived is that in their natural habitat (South America) they were no longer able to support themselves.

I don't know the specifics of why they went extinct but it could have been a number of things (including the fact that they were too successful and hunted a major food source right out of existence).

Evolutionary theory describes how biological diversity has occurred, it does not create a heirarchy whereby one species is 'more evolved' than another. If a species is surviving and is well suited to its ecological niche, there is no evolutionary pressure on its gene pool and so it is unlikely to evolve. But that would not mean that it is somehow lower than a species that continues to evolve.

Answer 7

OK, look this is what i have to say in rebuttle to the person who claims that due to the fetus fossil, fossils do not take thousands of years to form.... The fetus was fossilized in calcium. The fetus was preserved in a human body. The human body creates calcium. The earth does not create calcium like the human body does. do not make un educated guesses.

Answer 8

We know there are such things as fake money, bogus checks, counterfeit credit cards, forged passports; do the existence of those bogus items invalidate the world economic system?

Fake pieces of evidence only disprove their own validity; if the theory is supported by other evidences -- and in the case of evolution, there is plenty of those -- then the theory still stands.

Answer 9

if you think there was a world wide flood where did the water came from and where did it go afterwards? If you want things that made sense you should not use the argument of Noah and his flood. That story is so unbelievable it is what started me towards bieng an Atheist.

Answer 10

Evolution isn't all about getting bigger. It's about getting better. And sometimes smaller is better. Perhaps during the Ice Age the smaller animals were able to hide out in burrows but the larger animals were left out in the elements to die...

Sounds more believable than "they never existed, Satan put those bones there to trick us"