Your thoughts on these verses....II Thess.2;10-12... I Cor.1;18-20.....?

Answer 1

2 thess.-this seems to be speaking of a deception that those who love sin and wickedness will be given over to.This deception has really been stepped up lately as I hear more and more people denying the truth of Jesus,looking to their own righteousness,and plain unbelief,deluding themselves,because they cannot bear the thought of judgment,and this is a futile attempt to escape it.I pray that they will come to their senses and turn to the only One who can save them.

Answer 2

II Thess. 2:10 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved. 11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie: 12 That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.

Answer: Those men who think that they are smarter than God and refuse the truth of the Gospel will believe the lie of the devil and be damned for it.

I Cor. 1:18 For the preaching of the cross is to them that perish foolishness; but unto us which are saved it is the power of God. 19 For it is written, I will destroy the wisdom of the wise, and will bring to nothing the understanding of the prudent. 20 Where is the wise? where is the scribe? where is the disputer of this world? hath not God made foolish the wisdom of this world?

Answer 3

II THESS 2: 10and in every sort of evil that deceives those who are perishing. They perish because they refused to love the truth and so be saved. 11For this reason God sends them a powerful delusion so that they will believe the lie 12and so that all will be condemned who have not believed the truth but have delighted in wickedness.
ICOR 1:18-20
For the message of the cross is foolishness to those who are perishing, but to us who are being saved it is the power of God. 19For it is written:
"I will destroy the wisdom of the wise;
the intelligence of the intelligent I will frustrate."[a]
20Where is the wise man? Where is the scholar? Where is the philosopher of this age? Has not God made foolish the wisdom of the world?
Angelique....
I find these verses very true in relation to those I know who are not just non-believers, but also those who really don't want a relationship with God. God's word is meaningless to them, and sin/evil is a deceptive trap.

Answer 4

They are complex pieces of Scripture that should not carelessly be taken out of the context in which they are written nor the context of the text that surrounds them. In the 1 Cor. passage that you site, Paul speaks about the "foolishness of the Cross," an idea that actually causes some people problems. The Cross doesn't make a whole lot of sense to most people since it appears to defy common sense about what a victory entails. It defies the wise, the ones who claim to know that they understand the whole world, who would put their stake in philosophical or rhetorical devices as prescriptive explainations for things. If you look back to Isaiah 29:14 (which Paul is referencing here) you will see the context is that God will do things that cannot be explained by the wise. However, I do not believe that God is saying that wisdom is a bad thing, rather it is not the totality of things. In the end, it is faith that causes people to believe in the Cross and their salvation through it, not philisophical tricks or cleaver rhetoric, which seem so popular amongst certain Christians as a way of trying to convince non-believers.
The II Thessalonians verse is also one that can be confusing. but also note what comes before this apparently appocolypic text:

"As to the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ and our being gathered together to him, we beg you, brothers and sisters,2not to be quickly shaken in mind or alarmed, either by spirit or by word or by letter, as though from us, to the effect that the day of the Lord is already here. 3Let no one deceive you in any way; for that day will not come unless the rebellion comes first and the lawless one* is revealed, the one destined for destruction.* 4He opposes and exalts himself above every so-called god or object of worship, so that he takes his seat in the temple of God, declaring himself to be God. 5Do you not remember that I told you these things when I was still with you? 6And you know what is now restraining him, so that he may be revealed when his time comes. 7For the mystery of lawlessness is already at work, but only until the one who now restrains it is removed. 8And then the lawless one will be revealed, whom the Lord Jesus* will destroy* with the breath of his mouth, annihilating him by the manifestation of his coming. 9The coming of the lawless one is apparent in the working of Satan, who uses all power, signs, lying wonders, 10and every kind of wicked deception for those who are perishing, because they refused to love the truth and so be saved. 11For this reason God sends them a powerful delusion, leading them to believe what is false, 12so that all who have not believed the truth but took pleasure in unrighteousness will be condemned.

Paul cautions against those who would try and say that the end of the world is at hand! For the end will come when God wills it. I, for one, am careful not to claim to know, since I am not God and I do not know the day or hour, since false prophets have been with us since the time of Christ.

Answer 5

1 Cor. 1:18-20
For the preaching of the cross is to them that perish foolishness; but unto us which are saved it is the power of God. For it is written, I will destroy the wisdom of the wise, and will bring to nothing the understanding of the prudent. Where is the wise? where is the scribe? where is the disputer of this world? hath not God made foolish the wisdom of this world?

2 Thes. 2:10-12
And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved. And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie: That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.

sounds like last days, eh?

Answer 6

Similar words of wisdom can be found in other cultures too. My conclusion is that wise people who understand the value of civilization think alike. Some wise people had believed god gave them the wisdom to have such loving thoughts. I praise them for their humbleness and unselfish effort. Yet the basic truth is the power of love exists in any culture, with or without god, and people should not favor their beliefs and deny others. While some atheists deny god and still pursue to be good moral people, they recognize the basic truth about love and will not attack people of religious faith who are observing the same truth. They see the negative effects of religion that divide people and contradict with the basic truth about love and co-existence. Do religious people agree?

Answer 7

I think those verses are pretty clearly stated. He expects people to believe the truth.... If not, consequences will happen.
As a parent, I sometimes glimpse into what God thinks of us-- as children would rather believe the things that make sense to them and reject the wisdom of their parents, so do people toward their creator.
There are things my adult children are doing and saying are utterly and completly without forethought or sense- ignoring my warnings and advice- I make absolutely no sense to them! They feel that their wisdom is superior to mine.......repeated mistakes
I see the younger children of mine doing the same thing but on a different level- I can control that substantially better, but the thought process is the exact same-
So, it does continue in our other relationships....God. When will we all really see and really hear?

Answer 8

Hi,I've read the answers and most of them are really great! So, I'd like to address an issue that hasn't been addressed yet..This is to the person who may read these wonderful admonitions of Gods Word who are, already a believer ,and decide to not put their trust in God for, signs, wonders, miracles, healing,and deliverance from demons, and vexing,tormenting devils. Because these verses worn us of charlatans, liars, and deceivers, who lie in wait to trick ,and steal. Though, we must test all spirits, whether they are of God and line up with His Word. And put our faith in NO Man, but in God alone! I exhort, and encourage you to understand this, He will not give you a stone when you have asked for bread, or a snake, when you've come asking for a fish, Your Father who is in heaven knows what you have need of, and whenever you come to Him,seeking His kingdom, then all that's good in His kingdom is freely given to the one who is not vacillating, and wavering, in there undecided minds, and hearts. Such faith comes as we,are quiet within our selves, listening intently for and to His voice and direction, and He will reveal Himself to the contrite of heart, the moment you decide to take a small step toward Him, suddenly and quite miraculously, we find that He has increased, enlarged our steps under us, we find we have advance suddenly far beyond normal capacities! This is His almighty power working on our behalf, we find suddenly our faith has increased, to a point that what seemed impossible earlier, now seems absolute and expected. You believe all good things come down from The Father of Lights, in whom there is no shadow of turning. He delights in proving Himself strong through His children who trust and seek Him deeply. He is not partial but fair in all His dealings. He is faithful, even when we are not, He can do no other. But unto those who believe His word and do it,all things are possible. Healing lives in The Holy Spirit, cleansing the lepers, deliverance from life long addictions and vexing, tormenting spirits that seem inescapable, are normal with Him who loved us, pouring Himself out freely, He bought back His enslaved ,lost family. And breathed into them His Holy Spirit,leading and guiding them into all truth, He did not abandon them to be orphans. And He empowered them who believe,trust in, and rely on Him to lay hands on the sick, and they shall recover, cast out demons, speak with new tongues, raise the dead, and do mighty works as His Body continues working The Fathers will in this dieing world system, bringing forth His Life to who so ever asks and pursues Him, He will in no way cast out. The 1st Adam was a living soul, the last Adam, a Life Giving Spirit!!! Praise The Wonderful name of Yeshua Ha Messiach, Jesus The Messiah!!! Forever!

Answer 9

Fictional.

Answer 10

The Word, is Excellent. Those verses especially

"Please Patiently read this info. on loving other
people unconditionally, Thank You.

*What in the world is the difference between loving a person, and being attached to them? Love is the sincere wish, for others to be happy and to be free from suffering. Having realistically realized other’s kindness, as well as their faults, Love is Always focused on the other person’s welfare. We have no ulterior intensions or motives to fulfill our own self-interests; or to fulfill our own desires, we love others, all people, simply because they exist. Attachment, on the other hand, exaggerates others’ good qualities, and makes us crave to be with them. When we’re with them, we are happy, but when we’re separated from them, we’re miserable. Attachments are always linked with expectations of what others should be, or what they should do for us. Is love, as it is understood in most societies, really love OR attachment ? Let us examine this a little more. Generally speaking, we are attracted {drawn to) people because they have qualities we value, or because they help us in some way. If we carefully observe, through introspection, our own thought processes we’ll notice that we very often look for specific qualities in others. Some of these qualities we are drawn to are qualities within our parents, or qualities which society values.
We examine someone’s looks, education, social status, financial status, and so forth. This is how Most of us decide on whether or not the person holds any true value, or not. In addition, we judge people as worthwhile according to how they relate to us. If they praise us, encourage us, help us, if they listen to what we have to say, if they make us feel secure, if they take care of us when were sick, unhappy or depressed, we consider them good, or sometimes righteous people, and these are the people we more drawn to, whom we are most likely attracted to, and the people we choose to be around with.
In all honesty, this is very biased, for we are judging them, only in terms of how they relate to us, as if we are the most important person in the world & thinking the world revolves around us! After we’ve judged certain people to be good for us, whenever we see them, it appears to us as if goodness is radiating out from within them, but as we are more mindfully aware, we realize that we have projected this goodness on to them.
Desiring to be the people who make us feel good, we become emotional yo-yo’s, when we’re with these people, we’re up, but when we’re not with them, we’re down. Furthermore, we form fixed concepts of what our relationships with these people will be, and thus have expectations of them. “When they do not live up to our expectations of them, we’re unhappy, disappointed or may even become angry. We want them to change so that they will match what we think they are. But our projections and expectations come from our own minds, not from other people. Our problems arise not because others aren’t who we thought they were, but because we mistakenly thought they were something they were not. We often use a type of Checklist also. Checklist: “I Love You IF ___________ !” This Love is Conditional and what we call love, is most often attachment. It is actually an attitude which overestimates the qualities of another person.
’Then we cling tightly to that person, thinking our peace and happiness depends on that person. We even often blame that person for our unhappiness.’ Love, on the other hand, is a very patient, calm, optimistic and relaxed attitude. We want others to be free from suffering and to be happy simply because they exist. While attachments are uncontrolled, and too emotionally sentimental, Love is Patient, powerful, and controlled(disciplined). Attachment obscures our judgment {our ability to make sound, wise decisions), and we become impatient, angry, and impartial – helping our dear ones, and those who do us no harm. Love clarifies our mind, & we access a situation by thinking of the greatest good for everyone. Attachment is based on selfishness, while love is founded on valuing, & cherishing others, even those who do not look very appealing to us. Love always looks beyond all the superficial appearances and dwells on the fact that they are just like us: they want peace of mind, happiness, and wish to avoid suffering. If we see unattractive, or unintelligent people we most often feel repulsed, because our selfish minds want to find attractive, intelligent, and talented people. On the other hand, Love never evaluates others by theses superficial standards and looks much deeper into the person. Love recognizes that regardless of the others appearances, they’re experiences are they same as ours: they want inner mental peace, happiness, and wish to be from suffering. When we’re attached, we’re not mentally, emotionally, & spiritually free. For we overly depend on, and cling to another person, to fulfill our emotional, mental, and spiritual needs. We fear losing the person, fearing that we’d be incomplete without them.” This does Not mean that we should suppress all our emotional needs, or become aloof, and totally independent, for that too would not solve the problem. We must simply realize our unrealistic needs and slowly, gently and patiently – seek to eliminate them. If we try to suppress them, pretending they do not exist, we become insecure, anxious, or possibly depressed. In this case, we do our best to fulfill our needs, while simultaneously working gradually to subdue them. The core problem is that most of us seek to be loved, rather than to love. We yearn to be understood by others, rather than to understand them. Our sense of emotional insecurities comes from the selfish obscuring of our own minds. We develop confidence by recognizing our inner potential to become a Selfless human being, having many magnificent qualities, then we’ll develop and have an accurate perception of ourselves, gaining self-confidence. We’ll seek to increase true unconditional love, to increase compassion, to cultivate patience, as well as generosity, right concentration and wisdom. Under the influence of attachment, we’re bound by our unstable emotional reactions to others. When they’re nice to us, we’re happy, but when they ignore us or speak sharply to us, we take it personally, and are unhappy. But pacifying attachment doesn’t mean we become hard-hearted, rather without attachments, there will be space in our hearts and minds for genuine affection and impartial love for them. And as a result, we’ll be more actively involved with them. As we learn to transform our minds & lives, through subduing our attachments, we can definitely have successful friendships, and personal relationships with others. These relationships will be richer, more meaningful because of the freedom and respect the relationships are based on. We’ll really care about the happiness and misery of all human beings equally, simply because everyone is the same inside: we all want inner peace of mind, Happiness, and to be from suffering.
However, of course, our lifestyles and interests may be a bit more compatible with some people. Our friendships and our personal relationships will be based on mutual interests, and to help other people. Having such an attitude, we’ll be much More Patient, & tolerant toward others; will remain mentally calm, having Peace of Mind and Happiness, and we’ll communicate successfully with others in life.*