Why do Christians claim that Jesus is God when the bible says?

Question

The New Testament goes much farther than merely distinguishing and separating the two. In John 17 Jesus, in prayer to his Father, refers to him as "the only true God" (John 17:3. In John 20:17 the resurrected Jesus refers to his Father as " my Father, and your Father; and... my God, and your God." In I Corinthians 8:6 the Apostle Paul says of Christians, " to us [there is but] one God, the Father..." In I Timothy 2:5 Paul states, "For [there is] one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus." In Ephesians 1:17 Paul refers to the Father as " the God of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of glory." And in Revelation 3:12 the resurrected and glorified Jesus says, "Him that overcometh will I make a pillar in the temple of my God, and he shall go no more out: and I will write upon him the name of my God, and the name of the city of my God, [which is] new Jerusalem, which cometh down out of heaven from my God: and [I will write upon him] my new name."

Luk 18:19 And Jesus said to him, "Why do you call me good? No one is good except God alone.

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The passage you posted is a forgery. The words, "in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one. And there are three that bear witness in earth;" are found in no Greek manuscript dated before 1500 A.D. This means that they first showed up in a Greek manuscript of John (under very suspicious circumstances) more than 1400 years after the rest of the book was written. Newer translations, recognizing this, delete these words from the text.

Answer 1

alot of times Jesus was setting an example with words for disciples to follow!!

Answer 2

For some reason some Christian in the past got his own weird interpretation of the trinity and so it has been carried forward though all these centuries. It makes no sense to me and I, as a Christian, whole heartedly believe that God the Father and Jesus Christ are two separate beings.

I think many Christians today just don't want to accept that there is a flaw in at least one of their beliefs because then they would have to actually question the rest of their dogma. I think they are afraid of finding out that they are wrong. So, instead they choose to believe in some weird, incomprehensible theory that has no Biblical backing whatsoever.

I can't necessarily blame them. I don't like to be wrong either.

Edit: And those passage that say that God, Jesus, and the Holy Ghost are one, consider the passage that says that a husband and a wife should be joined together and become one flesh. I don't know about you but I have not seen any weird people walking around who have been physically joined through surgery to make them "one flesh" Those passages are meant to explain that they are one in purpose. Any time one of them says anything it is the same thing any of the others would say. It was never intended to imply that they are all three the same being. You just have to use some common sense in this area. God is nothing if not logical. The 3 in 1 theory just is not logical.

Answer 3

Jesus said in
John 10:30 I and my Father are one.
The bible also states in
1John 5:7 For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.

John 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
We know that the Word is Jesus, therefore God and Jesus are One in different forms. God, Jesus and the Holy Ghost are all One and are also referred to as the Trinity.

Answer 4

While Christ acknowledges He is the Son of God, God himself calls Jesus God. Read Hebrews 1, paying close attention to who is speaking about whom. Specifically verse 8.

There is a unique separateness to the unity of the Triune God. In the Hebrew language the first reference to God (Genesis 1:1) is "Elohim". This word is plural, signifying the Jesus and the Holy Spirit where present with God when the heavens and earth were created. This is confirmed in John 1:1-5.

Tweaks your melon without the aid of the Holy Spirit. Man's mind has enmity against the things of God. How do you expect to understand God without his help?

Answer 5

I love going toe to toe with kimo, he knows the bible and Quran quite well.

ok first. We know Jesus was born somewhere around 2BC to 7BC because of Joseph and Mary went to Bethlehem during a Roman census, so maybe he was born, let's say on 3BC.

Secondly, the record of Jesus life, or the bible, states he existed well before this time.

Jesus was created prior to the heavens and the earth. -
Col 1:15, John 1:1 and John 17.5, "And now, Father, glorify thou me in thy own presence with the glory which I had with thee before the world was made."

Jesus existed prior to Abraham-
John 8:58, "Jesus said to them, "Truly, truly, I say to you, before Abraham was born, I am."

Matthew 22:41-45
Jesus was a descendant of David, he was older than David, and therefore David could call him Lord.

Third, while Jesus was on Earth he indicated that he was a spirit creature before and after his earthly life.

You are from below, I am from above; you are of this world, I am not of this world." John 8.23

"I came from the Father and have come into the world; again, I am leaving the world and going to the Father." John 16.28

Last remarks: It's it true as you pointed out that Jesus gave glory to his father and said his father is greater then he. For his father created him so he should give him all the glory.

Philippians 2:6 Have this attitude in yourselves which was also in Christ Jesus,who, although He existed in the form of God, did not regard equality with God a thing to be grasped.

Answer 6

I sympathise with your concern. assuming of course that you are a genuine searcher and not one trying to make an argument.
My take on the scriptures is that it must be studied in context and not literally. Imagine for instance that you (human) wish to give a message to ants. They certainly cant speak your language or understand the wonders of human life. You are likely to present your message in the best possible way you hope they will understand--in their language and within their conceivable world. God does confront a similar dilemma. Many times Jesus sought to pass a message that must not be separated from the context. When He said ''no one is good' the larger context is to be sure that the disciples do not focus on a human being rather than on God in heaven. His reference to God as His Father is explained by God being a Triune God. That might be difficult to explain to you if you view it with a human mind and fail to capture that God operates at a realmbeyond our comprehension. For me, the closest to explaining the realtionship between the Father and the Son can be found in the connections between a loving human father and his son--how the son bears the genes, looks and manifestations of his father. even that example is not close to minutely capturing how heaven operates.
Finally, the bible must be studied in context and not by picking particular verses for the purpose of proving it wrong. In doing that you are sitting judgement over what you know little about and are predisposed to findng it false anyway.
The larger context of the Bible proves absolutely that Jesus is God. start at Genesis 1.1( God said...); advance to the Daniel in the Lion's Den where a manifestation of God kept the mouth of the Lion's mouth sealed; Through the Psalms; "The Lord said to my Lord"; advance to the virgin birth--Immanuel; check out revelations. Space and time will not permit lots of examples.
Your quotes are out of context and I am assuming that you are a genuine seeker

Answer 7

i think often people refer to Jesus as "God" because Jesus was a living "representative" so to speak , of God. there is a distinction between the 2 but often in peoples minds they blend into 1 holy being. they dont make the distinction between "The Father(God), The Son(Jesus), an The Holy Spirit.

Answer 8

God, Jesus Christ, and the Holy Ghost are One God in three forms.

Answer 9

Jesus isn't God, it wasn't even a consideration of the early church until about 1000 AD. Then the early church fathers had a big fight, and essentially killed off all the Christians who believed Jesus was a mortal man. It was wrong them, it is wrong now, and really what difference does it make? Descended from God, or actually God, a child of God or a part of God like we all are...

Answer 10

The bible is very clear in saying that Jesus is the Son of God...a person different from his father. Remember too during Jesus' baptism, God spoke saying 'This is my son whom I have approved..."

3 things:
a. Satan is an intelligent being too, whats a better way to disredit God by making his son fight with him with the title of Almighty God...?

b. The bible speaks of those who would turn away their ears to what is pleasant to hear...bringing destructive sects....well they were successful...they have confused their followers big time!

c. Many followers were blinded...as the bible prophesied. They do not dig deep into the teachings....

Answer 11

You are just picking and choosing those verses you think are denying that Jesus is God. All your prooftexts can be easily explained, but I doubt you are wanting to listen anyway.

Your fixation with the false notion that Jesus was a mere man whom Christians deify is the cornerstone of your unceasing diatribes against the Christian faith. We keep explaining to you that the Koran is WRONG in teaching that Jesus is a human who is deified. Rather the Bible teaches that Jesus is God incarnated in human flesh. The two concepts are worlds apart! You keep asking "How can God have a Son?" yet fail to understand the simple truth that Christians NEVER believe in any form of consortment with any female goddess or entity. It is this notion of consortment (God having sex thus resulting in a Son) that Muslims keep entertaining in their minds. Such a notion fits better with the Mormon religion (which Islam finds many similarities) than with Biblical Christianity.

Paul in Colossians 2 says CLEARLY that Jesus existed in the form of God and is equal with God. Humility of these Jewish believers required them to accept God's self-revelation of Himself as a triune God that exists in the Persons of the Father, Son and Holy Ghost. They did not simply reject what they cannot fathom with their minds. They know that God's ways are higher than man's ways and His thoughts are higher. Moreover, they know that there are mysteries regarding God which they humbly subject themselves to their own ignorance. What matters to them was obedience, rather than to reason out the nature of God and His ways. The Muslim prides himself in his own puffed up arrogance that undermines God's revelation of Himself to us.

Bottom line is this: The Bible clearly teaches that Jesus is God in the flesh. Like it or not, that's what the Bible teaches. Does it violate any law of logic? No it does not. Does it violate reason? No it does not. Does it boggle the mind? Sure it does, as do many other things. If we can accept that light is both particle and wave, and accept the paradox because this is simply what we observe, then what more with things of the spirit?

So be HUMBLE, and SUBMIT and SURRENDER yourself and your thoughts to the revelation of God in the Bible, that precedes the Koran by at least 600 years. Jesus is the supreme revelation of God, not Muhammad.