My rather lengthy question for the day.?

Question

While watching the TV I was presented with a news story in which an individual of a religion other than Christian wished to be sworn into their elected office using their preferred religious book. The news promptly had several "Experts" on, to sell the opinion that this was a direct attack on Christianity.
A man I know has been in a committed relationship with another man I know for going on 25 years. They very much would like to legitimize their relationship in the eyes of their friends, family, and the state. They accept that religious institutions will not accept this arrangement and do not invite them to participate.
I am very patriotic and give readily my allegiance to my country. I do however have a difficult time swearing allegiance to someone else’s god.
I had a few more examples but space limitations restrict.
My question then is thus, why do Christians feel persecuted when people of other lifestyles do not wish to adhere to Christian dogma?

This country was founded on the freedom of religion. Why then is it used to defend one and not the other?

Actually a cnn story about a lady I am unfortunatley unsure as to who she was.

Ahhh! thats what it is! Your are under the impression that this is a country with a state religion. I have a copy of this thing called the constitution and a copy of another thing called the bill of rights. Would you like a copy?

But you see cat there are two types of people. An individual and a group. Each I assure you is a sepeate entity yet the same entity. As mysterious as the trinity. An individual for the most part will listen to reason. A group on the other hand... a differnet rational applies. I am referring to the group as a whole not the indivdual.

There it is again. The persecution, I highly doubt this country is going godless. Just the people of the ruler of this world as the bible puts it are not being intimidated into living quietly in the shadows anymore.

Ty hazy for the critical thinking.

Assumption seems to be the key word for the day.
A: I am from a conservative southern baptist home. Private schools, went to seminary. Most of my family and many of my friends were and are christian.
B:If you read my add details you would know that I read every word on this page.
C:Other countries operate under a different set of laws. Those laws are not at issue here.
D:The notion that being gay is a mental illness is archaic at best.It cannot be backed up.On the contrary there is strong evidence that it is genetically coded. In your opinion god created these genes.
Furthermore,statistically children growing up in a gay household turn out par for children growing up in straight homes. Do your research before speaking.
Your argument about the 13 and 19 yr old is silly as there is a legal age of consent precedent.
Polygamy was fine in the bible.It is none of my business.
People thought slavery was ok once and that women couldn’t vote.When things changed it didn’t undo society.

Answer 1

Personally I am not offended/persecuted. I completely support that official who wanted to be sworn in holding the book of his religion. I would much rather have someone be bound to an ethical code that he or she believes in than be sworn in under one that he does not. Kinda sounds like a lie to me. Is that any way to start a term in public office?

As for gay marriage in the US, we are all guaranteed equal rights. Either marriage needs to be a religious institution that the government does not regulate (a potentially sticky situation) OR the Government needs to recognize that it is unconstitutional not to allow marriage between to consenting adults.

Yes I am a Christian. God knows what is in our hearts.

Answer 2

One of the tenets this country was founded on was freedom of religion. Therefore, everyone should have the right to worship--or not worship--as they see fit. If certain Christians feel persecuted because others do not wish to follow their beliefs, that is not indicative of how all Christians feel. Frankly, that's like saying that all Muslims are terrorists, when any logical person knows that is not the case. Any Christian that has a problem like the one you pose in your question doesn't have the problem simply because they're a Christian. They probably have the problem because they have control issues or emotional and/or mental health issues and would have the same persecution complex no matter what faith they were.

(By the way, I am a Christian and I respect the rights of everyone to worship as they see fit. That's why we were given free will--to choose our own paths.)

Answer 3

Because this is a Christian country. We have Christian traditions. When little things start to bypass the traditions, then its just a matter of time before big things do. There isn't one Christian symbol or tradition that isn't under attack by the atheists. We have to fight them all, or else there wont be anything left that shows the identity of our nation as a Christian nation. If I went to a Muslim country, I wouldn't question their traditions, I would expect them. If I had a problem taking office there, I wouldn't take office there. No one makes you do that. Gays should be happy that they are not prosecuted under anti sodomy laws. No one ever talks about that, they have been on the books for years.
edit: This country was founded with freedom to practice all religions, not freedom from religion. That is a perversion of the intensions of the founders. The pilgrams made a covenent with God, the Christian God. The founders were religious men. They did not want to eliminate any sign of religion from government. They just did not want a state endorsed religion, because it doesn't work.

Answer 4

Are we talking about a FoxNews story about Ellison taking his oath of office with a Koran?

The Constitution calls for freedom of religion. If he believes that his oath will hold more merit with a Koran, then let him do it. There is a reason for the separation of church and state. The founding fathers did not want a theocracy to govern this country. Federalist #10 is not only based on political parties, but religious sects as well.

As for your friend, if his relationship makes him happy, then I'm all for it. I still cannot believe that they were trying to pass a Constitutional amendment to ban gay marriage. It's an insult to the document. Had it passed, it would have been the 18th and the 21st Amendments all over again.

Answer 5

Well it is very obvious that you are left leaning and do not care for Christians. But I will answer MY OPINION on each if you will really read the whole answer.

Real Christians do not care what holy book a congressman chooses to take his oath. And since the congressman that you are talking about is not even a very practicing Muslim, we are defintely not that concerned. It is a free country. It is funny though that if a Christian were elected in an Islamic state, they would probably have their head chopped off anyways, but definitely would never be allowed to swear an oath over a Holy Bible. It is funny that the Muslims immigrate to our country and enjoy the freedoms of an overall Christian society but never allow the same for Christians in their community. In fact, a recent poll that only 17% of muslims really believe that 9/11 was committed by Arabs. So who really is in denial?

As far as your friend is concerned, I really do feel sorry for him as a Christian. It would be tough to walk around with a mental disorder that prevents a man from procreating or wanting to be with the opposite sex. It is abnormal. He is free to marry, but the definition of marriage is between one man and one women. You cannot redefine the meaning of something because 4% of the population has a mental illness. There is treatment.

We have enough problem getting employers to insure regular families let alone costing the employers millions more to insure alternative arrangements. And if we legalize gay unions, the employers would be forced to either insure them also or cut millions of natural families insurance.

Do we not have enough screwed up children in society? Do they really need to have the social stigma attached to two mentally ill parents that are of the same sex deciding act married? We have enough issues with 'no-fault divorce' in the regular marriages. Why should we have to add thousands of more cases to the case load?

And we all know that if morality is relative to the times, then what happens when a "consenting" 13 year old wants to marry 19 year old against his intolerant parents objections? How about 5 consenting adults wanting to get married in a polygamist relationship? Are we intolerant to not allow that also?

The problem is that liberals in America want a feel good society where anything goes. That is why currently 40% of men in America have a pornography addiction. That is why we are finding that single-parenthood and divorce are the largest reason for poverty in America. It is also the root cause of crime in America. Young men without fathers. Even the most liberal people in the Black community will tell you that because 3 out of 4 black children are born to a single mother, kids are being raised by thugs and influenced more by over sexualized hip hop, gangsta rap, and thug gang members than a Bible and a good role model.

Christians know that every society needs boudaries and that is why most of the middle class and upper class in America tend to be Christians or at least hold to the tenants of Christianity. So ask yourself this? Who ould you go to for financial advice? A poor single mother on welfare, a biker, a liberal hippy, or a successful business man? Yes there are exceptions to the rule, but most successful people hold to a conservative way of life.

Answer 6

This nation was founded on christian principles. We have took an oath on the Bible in our court systems longer than anyone alive now can remember. In the past the Bible was viewed as authoritative. This anti biblical view is new. The Bible was good enough for our parents and our parents parents but somehow it's not good enough for this current Godless generation. If this nation is truly going Godless then why adhere to Godly institutions like marraige? If you don't want the Bible then why do you want institutions the Bible began? First marriage....in Garden of Eden before any other humans were alive. The first humans ...male and female...were married by God himself. Why do gay folks WANT to adhere to THAT Godly institution but want no part of judeo/christian values. Why should I allow the value of marriage to be watered down to mean nothing more than a regular contract between 2 individual instead of cherishing it for what it is...a special covenant between a woman and a man for life and in front of the face of God?
Oh and no one is forcing you to say ..."under God" so getteth over thy selfeth!

Answer 7

I am a Christian and I don't feel personally persecuted by people that lead other lifestyles. Unless another person actually discriminates against me it doesn't qualify as "persectution."Just because the life they lead is contrary to what I believe is right it isn't persecution in my eyes.



Right on to Nathan and Whitley!! I only wish there were more people who believed those same things.

Answer 8

Just stop watching FOX Noise. When Christians represent the majority in the country, how can we be persecuted?

Answer 9

If they do, they are foolish and hypocritical. How many times have they persecuted others for being a Muslim, Hindi, or anything else? They have no right to advocate their religion on the rest of us.

Answer 10

I am treated as evil by those who feel persecuted because they are not allowed to force me to believe as they do

I thought it was "Faux News" LS