Eze 18:21 But if a wicked person turns away from all his sins that he has committed and keeps all my statutes and does what is just and right, he shall surely live; he shall not die.
Eze 18:22 None of the transgressions that he has committed shall be remembered against him; for the righteousness that he has done he shall live.
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Isa 1:16 Wash yourselves; make yourselves clean; remove the evil of your deeds from before my eyes; cease to do evil
Isa 1:17 learn to do good; seek justice, correct oppression; bring justice to the fatherless, plead the widow's cause
Isa 1:18 "Come now, let us reason together, says the LORD: though your sins are like scarlet, they shall be as white as snow; though they are red like crimson, they shall become like wool.
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Psa 51:16 For you will not delight in sacrifice, or I would give it; you will not be pleased with a burnt offering
Psa 51:17 The sacrifices of God are a broken spirit; a broken and contrite heart, O God, you will not des
2007-02-14
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Mic 6:6 "With what shall I come before the LORD, and bow myself before God on high? Shall I come before him with burnt offerings, with calves a year old?
Mic 6:7 Will the LORD be pleased with thousands of rams, with ten thousands of rivers of oil? Shall I give my firstborn for my transgression, the fruit of my body for the sin of my soul?"
Mic 6:8 He has told you, O man, what is good; and what does the LORD require of you but to do justice, and to love kindness, and to walk humbly with your God?
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Pro 21:3 To do righteousness and justice is more acceptable to the LORD than sacrifice.
2007-02-14
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update #1
The vases I quoted prove that forgiveness can be obtained without shedding any blood.
2007-02-15
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There are actually three ways in the OT for sins to be forgiven.
The Jews had a ritual of blood sacrifice for the forgivness of sins. But ONLY - and mind the only here - for sins that were unintentional. It is not a system that forgives sins that were done intentionally. The innocent blood of a sheep etc was used to wash away the sins caused not by intention but by accident.
The only way to have intentional sins forgiven is by asking for forgivness.
And before anyone says I'm off - look in the OT laws. Look at what each blood ritual was for. Paul misunderstood. He thought that all sins were forgiven by the blood of an innocent lamb. He then said that Jesus - an innocent man - washed away the sins of the world with his sacrifice. Paul believed that there was only one way for a Jewish person to receive forgiveness - sacrifice - and then said that God sacrificed Jesus in order to forgive the world of their sins.
2007-02-15 00:04:40
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answered by noncrazed 4
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The verses that you quoted are simply lifted out of their contexts to suit your purpose of distorting the Christian faith. Nothing in the verses that talks about the people of God living rightly precludes the notion of blood shedding for sins to be forgiven. Does God demands blood sacrifices? Yes he did. But sacrifices that are done without a contrite heart, with evil and a proud spirit, more of it God will not be pleased. In the OT the sacrifice of animals are to be accompanied by humility and the fear of the Lord, and in obedience to His ways. The outward act must be accompanied by the correct inward attitude. Without the inward attitude, God will not delight in all the sacrifices that is made.
2007-02-15 12:43:55
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via fact the bible is crammed with contradictions ? Genesis a million:11-12 and a million:26-27 timber got here in the previous Adam. Genesis 2:4-9 timber got here after Adam. Genesis a million:20-21 and 26-27 Birds have been created in the previous Adam. Genesis 2:7 and a pair of:19 Birds have been created after Adam. Genesis a million:24-27 Animals have been created in the previous Adam. Genesis 2:7 and a pair of:19 Animals have been created after Adam. Genesis a million:26-27 Adam and Eve have been created on the comparable time. Genesis 2:7 and a pair of:21-22 Adam grew to become into created first, lady sometime later. and you may word I truthfully have in trouble-free terms used Genesis for now. So right here you flow, you have have been given your reason.
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answered by ? 4
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The shedding of blood is Jesus when He died for our sins and because of that we can be forgiven and He will remember it no more. The scriptures you have provided are simply telling us that if we live righteousness we shall live and have eternal life. And the very last scripture you gave about the sacrifice that is true because being obedient is better than sacrifice.
1 Samuel 15:22 And Samuel said, Hath the LORD as great delight in burnt offerings and sacrifices, as in obeying the voice of the LORD? Behold, to obey is better than sacrifice, and to hearken than the fat of rams.
2007-02-15 00:09:20
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answered by Child of God 5
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What you are missing here is yes, there is no forgiveness of sins without shedding blood - Christ shed that blood so that upon repentance sins can be forgiven, and Christ was the blood sacrifice for all time - replacing all other blood sacrifices. He doesn't want your burnt animals, he wants your love. When Ezek 18:22 says "he shall surely live; he shall not die - its not speaking of flesh - it means live eternally.
All, unless Christ gets back first, will die as far as flesh goes.
NOTE TO "UFO" I normally don't give out advice unless asked for it, but you need to clean up your act. You're way over the edge.
2007-02-15 00:00:21
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answered by Anonymous
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You are sooo right to see this, I haven't found anything that Jesus or God says in the new testament that we are forgiven by the blood of Christ.
I have found in John 3:16 that God so loved the world that he gave his only begotten Son,that whosoever believeth in him should not perish,but have everlasting life.
Jesus was crucified but that was his love for the ones he had in front of him that had been given prophecy he said he had the power to take his life up and the power to lay it down and that he had received that commandment from the Father.He did it for his brothers and sisters following him.
We the gentiles are brought because of the Jews rejecting him and of his obedience to God not that he allowed someone to hang him on a cross and shed blood.
Jesus is on the right hand of God and people keep him bleeding on a cross.
2007-02-15 00:15:28
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answered by jackiedj8952 5
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The entire verse from where you quoted in Hebrews 9:22 reads:
"And almost all things are by the law purged with blood; and without SHEDDING OF BLOOD is no remission"
Paul's statement was based on the instruction given to Moses by God in Leviticus 17:11 that
"For the life of the flesh is in the blood: and I have given it to you upon the altar to make an atonement for your souls: for it is the blood that maketh an atonement for the soul."
Basically, the requirement for the blood of goats and lambs in atonement of sin was based on the fact that the life of flesh is in the blood. However the blood of bulls and lambs could not substitute effectively for the sin of man, thats why the bible calls the various rites of the old testament, shadows of the real thing. What was required was the blood of another man, a perfect one howbeit; since all men have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God, God himself took upon Him the semblence of flesh in the person of Jesus. So that by the shedding of His blood as atonement for man's sin, every man has an opportunity to be reconciled with God. Thats why the redemption of man is called the greatest love story of all.
2007-02-15 00:17:41
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answered by HPayne 1
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Paul was absolutely right! Remember, even in the OT (where all your references came from) ANIMAL SACRIFICE was REQUIRED for all sorts of ATONEMENT, contractual obligations and etc. to show that the only thing BINDING between God and man, honesty among men, and FORGIVENESS OF SIN WAS the SHEDDING OF BLOOD! Jesus' death on the Cross (more bloodshed!) was intended to be the penultimate SACRIFICE for all sin of all time, since the animals couldn't willingly go to their deaths for their masters and etc. There had to be an unselfishly given, pure sacrifice of BLOOD that would allow man (as PAUL put it) to "....go before the THRONE OF GRACE (seek forgiveness from God directly) BOLDLY," instead of having to slaughter an animal or beg atonement from a priest that might potentially have sin in his own life, therefore making the mediation for that sin defiled! Ever wonder why the OT priests had that rope tied around their waists when they went behind the veil to anoint the Mercy Seat with the BLOOD sacrifice? It was so that if they (the priest) had sin in their lives, they would be STRUCK DEAD in the presence of the Shekinah glory of God before being allowed to even touch the throne of grace for the very atonement they were seeking on the behalf of others! then when they didn't emerge, people could use the rope to pull them out of the Temple without walking back to the veil and being struck dead themselves! Beleive me, without the shedding of blood, it IS impossible to have remission of sin!
2007-02-15 05:48:11
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answered by bigvol662004 6
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You have to put them in context. The people they are speaking to are jewish and under the law. Thus the levitical priesthood applies to them. Per Gods instruction to the priesthood and the people. The application of the atoneing blood they had to offer for the sin of the people. This was before God created the eternal high priest Jesus Christ. Now his blood is the only God demands and allows from the remission of sins.
2007-02-15 00:12:37
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Quite an interesting analysis you have there. I am very impressed. You seem to be a regular reader of Scipture.
However, I hope whatever you said above - which is quite true, does not make you doubt Paul's statement. What Paul is explaining is that no one can come to God on any terms except those laid by God himself. No one can ignore (or treat as common) the blood shed by God's son Jesus Christ, and expect to be accepted by God. It cannot happen.
2007-02-15 00:09:42
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