As you know, Cath-licks have the tiny statue of Mary. They pray to that thing. They believe they are praying to Mary who passes the prayer on to the priest. Then the prayer gets routed to the pope-pee in Rome. Then he waves his hand in an incantatory crisscross (slight of hand), sending the prayer to God knows where. It may end up with God.
Lutherans pray through Jesus Christ and the prayer is received by God.
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With love of cath-lickers, cause imnotacatholic2
2007-02-15 23:51:07
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answered by Anonymous
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Let’s see, some of the striking differences coming from a Lutheran perspective:
Authority of the Bible:
RCC- Accept the Bible as the source of truth interpreted in the light of tradition.
Lutheran- Accept the Bible as the sole source of truth. The Holy Spirit interprets scripture and scripture interprets scripture.
Sacraments:
RCC- Celebrate seven sacraments: Baptism, Confirmation, Penance, Eucharist, Marriage, Orders and Anointing of the Sick.
Lutheran- Celebrate two sacraments (means of Grace): Eucharist and Baptism.
Eucharist:
RCC- Believe in Real Presence that the consecrated bread and wine turns into the body and blood of Christ
Lutheran- Believe in the Real Presence of Christ in the Eucharist. The consecrated elements (bread and wine) is the bread and the wine and the ACTUAL Body and Blood of Jesus Christ. People really need to stop confusing the Lutheran belief on the Eucharist with the other Protestants (excluding the Anglicans and some Presbyterians).
Church Government:
RCC- College of Bishops shares authority with the Pope as the head of the College (called collegiality). Ultimately, the Pope is the visible head on earth of the Roman Catholic Church.
Lutheran- Congregational form of church government. I would like to point out that the Lutheran Church gets its Apostolic Succession through the Bishops of the Church of Sweden (Svenska kyrkan). See Gustavus Vasa 1527 and Pope Clement VII's decree on the Swedish Bishops.
The Priesthood:
RCC- Restricted to males who are forbidden to marry. From what I understand, there are some exceptions to this ruling if a married priest converts to Roman Catholicism, since they would have to divorce to remain celibate.
Lutheran- Ministers are allowed to marry. It can be pointed out that some Liberal Synods ordain women as ministers. It has to be pointed out that ordaining women is contrary to Scriptures and not a Confessional Lutheran belief.
The Virgin Mother:
RCC- Teach that the Virgin Mary was a virgin before, during and after the birth of her son Jesus Christ. They teach and believe that the Virgin Mary was born with out original sin (Immaculate Conception) and at the point of conception she was redeemed (full of grace, see Luke 2). Some Roman Catholics pray to Mary and over emphasis her role and claim she is a Co-Redempterix.
Lutheran- The Virgin Mary being a "Perpetual Virgin" is not taught in the Lutheran Church as cannon law. It is not discouraged if members believe she continued as a virgin after Jesus' birth. The doctrine of the Immaculate Conception and Co-Redempterix is not confessed or affirmed by the Lutheran Church.
Faith/Forgiveness of Sins/Means of Grace:
RCC- Faith not only can come by the Word and the sacraments, but Icons can be a visual representation of the Gospel.
Lutheran- Faith comes by the hearing of the Word and the receiving of the sacraments.
Papal Authority:
RCC- The Roman Catholic Church claims the Pope is the Vicar of Christ, has primacy of honor (universal immediate jurisdiction) and infallibility on matters of Christian living and faith. They claim the Pope is the direct successor of St. Peter (the first Pope).
Lutheran- Because Lutherans affirm Apostolic Succession, the Popes before the Reformation are considered first among equals. They do not affirm primacy of honor, infallibility and the title of Vicar of Christ.
KC Superstar,
Your analysis on the Lutheran's view on the Eucharist is incorrect. Unlike the Roman Catholic view, Lutherans do not believe that the Bread and the Wine cease to being when they are consecrated. So when the elements are consecrated they are the Bread and the Wine and the Body and Blood. Roman Catholics believe that once the elements are consecrated, they are only the Body and the Blood. There is no view of Symbolism in the Lutheran view.
Edwin F,
Lutheran's don't believe in Baptism? Where did you get that notion? Baptism is a sacrament to the Lutherans, which means it is a literal Means of Grace. Not this symbolic notion that everyone keeps throwing around in the context of Protestantism.
Also, do not confuse the Calvinistic "dual Predestination" with the Lutheran understanding of Predestination. They are not the same. What you described was Calvinism, not Lutheranism.
And for your information, there are 70 million Lutherans world wide. I think your comment of "so few of them" is a bit misguided. But then again, you probably have been sold the same belief that the biggest denomination must be the correct one. If that were the case, we would all be Muslim or Atheist.
2007-02-14 21:28:29
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answered by Martin Chemnitz 5
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The Lutherans, led by Martin Luther, split from the Catholic church in the early 1500's. They did this for many reasons, mostly the corruption of the Catholic church, and the selling of indulgences (basically get out of purgatory cards, that were being sold for the money. didn't really do anything!)
While the basic beliefs are the same, there are several differences. Catholics believed that good works (like doing good deeds, and the seven sacraments) got you into heaven, and the Lutherans believed that faith got you into heaven, but that having faith brought about good works. Catholics also believe in 'transubstantiation', that the bread and wine taken with communion are transformed into the body and blood of Christ. Lutherans instead believe in 'consubstantiation', that while the bread and wine did not physically change, the spirit of Christ in them. There are several other difference, including that Lutherans believed that all followers are priests. Although the differences may seem small, they were and still are really big issues.
2007-02-14 19:29:01
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answered by runner08 3
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"What separates us as believers in Christ is much less than what unites us." (Pope John XXIII)
Almost all important doctrine is completely agreed upon between Catholic Christians and other Christians.
Here is the joint declaration of justification by Catholics (1999), Lutherans (1999), and Methodists (2006):
By grace alone, in faith in Christ's saving work and not because of any merit on our part, we are accepted by God and receive the Holy Spirit, who renews our hearts while equipping us and calling us to good works.
There are many minor doctrine issues and some major cultural traditional differences which, I believe, do not matter that much.
A Catholic worships and follows Christ in the tradition of Catholicism which, among other things, recognizes that Christ made Peter the leader of His new Church and Pope Benedict XVI is Peter's direct successor.
With love in Christ.
2007-02-15 23:49:55
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answered by imacatholic2 7
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Generally, the Lutheran religion began with Martin Luther's rebellion related to the way in which the Royal's were dictating the practices of the Catholic Church at the time (to suit themselves).
Lutheran's, as well as Catholic's ARE Christians....The Catholic Church emerged through the teachings of a man named JESUS CHRIST. Remember....He was the JEWISH guy.
2007-02-14 19:23:10
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answered by momx3 2
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You are all wrong! The difference between these two religions is that lutheran dont believe in certain stuff that catholics do, they dont believe in baptism, they took out some books from the bible and i think they believe in predestination which means that before you are born, GOD chooses if you are going to hell or heaven and there is nothing you can do to change it, thats why there are so few Lutherans, Lutheranism is a protestant religion which means the guy who made it was just someone who disagreed with Catholics and made up his own religion, o they also don't have a pope and dont believe in Transubstantiation (The Eucharist)
2007-02-14 19:20:17
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answered by Edwin F 1
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Catholics have a Pope and got to keep Vatican City. Lutherans were given Wisconsin and parts of Minnesota.
The annual lecture contest has the Lutherans ahead in this competition 339-327
2007-02-14 19:14:44
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answered by Anonymous
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1) Catholics believe the bread and wine used during Communion actually becomes the body and blood of Christ. Lutherans believe the bread and wine used only represents the body and blood of Christ.
2) Catholics believe the Virgin Mary was sinless. Lutherans believe she was not sinless.
3) Lutherans go by "Sola Scriputra" (Latin, for "Scripture only"), which is the believe that doctrine should only be based on the Bible. Catholics believe that doctrine and beliefs are transmitted through Scripture and Tradition.
Just a few of the differences.
2007-02-14 19:17:42
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answered by Nowhere Man 6
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Catholics stand at the foot of the cross with their Mother Mary at every Mass and Lutherans look on from a distance.
The Lutherans (like all Protestants) are like the Synoptic Gospels whereas the Catholics are like John's. Richer , deeper, more poetic and more understanding of mysteries. This I say picking out the epitome of each, not the norm.
2007-02-14 19:58:12
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answered by Midge 7
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Lutherans are a protestant denomination (similar to Methodists, Baptists, Church of Christ, etc), which was originally a part of the Catholic Church but broke off from it. They are named after Martin Luther, who was one of the first to break away from Catholicism.
2007-02-14 19:23:46
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answered by Fenician 3
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Catholic is the Church established by Christ Himself. Lutheran is a break-away group established by a heretical man with mental problems:
"A 16th-century Augustinian monk named Luder for some reason left a very detailed diary. This is a man who grew up with an extremely brutal father, had a very anxious relationship with him, was very psychosomatic-illness-oriented... One day he was out walking in the field. There was a thunderstorm, and he got a panic attack, and vowed, 'If I'm allowed to survive this, I will become a monk and devote the rest of my life to God.' He survives, becomes a monk, and throws himself into this ritualism with a frenzy. This was an order of monks that was silent 20-some hours a day. Nonetheless, he had four hours worth of confessions to make every day: 'I didn't say this prayer as devoutly as I should have. My mind wandered when I was doing this, doing that.' The first time he ran a mass, he had to do it over and over because he got the details wrong. He would drive his Father Superior crazy with his hours and hours of confession every day: 'God is going to be angry at me for doing this, because I said this, and I didn't think this much, and I didn't do this the right way, and I...' until the Father Superior got exasperated with him and came up with a statement that is shockingly modern in its insight. He said, 'The problem isn't that God is angry with you. The problem is that you're angry with God.' The most telling detail about this monk was, he washed and washed and washed. As he put it in his diary: 'The more you wash, the dirtier you get.' Classic OCD. The reason why we know about this man Luder is because we know him by the Anglicized version of his name: Martin Luther." -- Robert Sapolsky, a professor of neurology at Stanford University
2007-02-14 19:20:27
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answered by Anonymous
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