catholics.....?

Question

how can you justify praying to the "saints" when we are to pray only to JESUS? how can you justify the graven images and idols in your "churches"? how can you justify your repeated prayers(hail marys and goobity gob)? how can you justify having your own bible per say?
how can you blatantly go against the word of CHRIST and call yourselves christian? who is the "father"? to you its every priest and all the popes. we have but one and its GOD. through his son JESUS are we to pray. only HE can forgive our sins not your priests.
how many popes in the past have ordered the execution of true christians? how many lives have ben corrupted by the influence of the roman catholic churches?
are these the actions of the christian religion? is the acceptance of homosexuality and child molestations? LOL i think not. GOD will not change his laws because you feel you are right. hell is filled with people with good intentions.
embrasing the nwo is the objective of your pope. not JESUS.

did i judge? i only aske dquestion. didnt i say homosexuality AND child
molestation? separating the two. apparently you who didnt read the words of JESUS keep saying you can pray to others.
and so what if i am strong in my faith that i accept no other possibilites in another god or religions. there are none but ONE.
and yes, there is a seperate bible used in the catholic religion. get you head right, where else does it say you can omit the first commandment? not in mine. where are the "exorcism" rites. not in mine. where is the hail mary clause? not in mine. where in the world does it say we can pray to the other saints in heaven other than jesus.

Answer 1

Thank you
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Answer 2

ahow can you justify praying to the "saints" when we are to pray only to JESUS?
The bible does not say that we are to pray only to Jesus, in fact, Jesus' prayer is to God the Father, so there are prayers that do NOT go through Jesus. The statement is that Jesus is the sole mediator of salvation between God and Man... The catholic church has never denied this, and praying to ask the saints to pray on our behalf does not remove the fact that all good things come from God through Jesus.

how can you justify the graven images and idols in your "churches"?
There are no Idols in a catholic church. And the commandment against graven images is against those images being WORSHIPED.... something which catholics do not do. If you have a photo in your livingroom, you have a graven image, if you do not worship it, then you're not in violation of the commandment... by the same rote, the catholic church never worships an image.


how can you justify your repeated prayers(hail marys and goobity gob)?
There is nothing in the bible against repetitions of prayers... What Jesus says is not to BABBLE incoherently. I once listened to a protestant pastor trying lead a prayer, and he used the words "Lord," "God," and "Jesus" 450 times in the space of three minutes (I counted and kept track on my watch, it was amazing). THAT my friend, is babbling incoherently like the Pagans on the street corners... Catholics believe that prayer is expressed inwardly through the soul, and that the prayer is a focal point for the expression of true prayer.

how can you justify having your own bible per say?
The catholic bible was compiled in the fourth century to include the entire septuigant. At a later time the Jewish church rejected (without reason) the Greek Texts of the septuigant, since when the temple burned down there was no longer a way to verify their lineage. The protestants came along more than 1,100 years later and removed these texts from the Old testament... Because the bible contained all of these scriptures for 1,500 years, perhaps protestantism should be asked why THEY created their own bible.

how can you blatantly go against the word of CHRIST and call yourselves christian?
Nothing the Catholic church does is against the word of Christ.

who is the "father"?
Here it becomes clear that you are not familiar with Greek, Aramaic, or Hebrew. There were multiple words for the word "father" in that day (just as there are now). The commandment would more accurately be stated "call no man DIVINE father." This would more accurately reflect the meaning of the words used in their original context since the word father today bears little to no resemblance to the word used in the Bible. Recall, the commandment to "Honor thy father and thy mother." This is a double edged sword, either we recognize that earthly males can be called father, or we recognize that God is the ONLY person who can be called father, which means Mary truly is the Mother of God and then mother to us all. I think you'd rather take the first choice in this case, so let's just call the "father" point moot.

only HE can forgive our sins not your priests.
>priests don't forgive sins, they hear confessions and Jesus forgives sins

how many popes in the past have ordered the execution of true christians?
Popes do not order executions. The inquisitions are subject to the office of inquisition AND the spanish inquisition, which is the inquisition of historical infamy, was actually started by the spanish monarchy and ENDED by the pope. Other inquisitions were to stop the cathars, who were the midievil equivalent of today's al quaeda

is the acceptance of homosexuality and child molestations?
The catholic church accepts niether of these things, so what is your point?

Answer 3

Catholics routinely pray in the name of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit, and we make the sign of the cross to acknowledge the redemptive work of Jesus, our savior and our mediator, so our prayers are most certainly directed to the right persons.

And since the saints in heaven are alive and of God, just as are some earthly saints, there is absolutely no prohibition against asking a favor of another brother or sister in Christ, no matter where they might presently reside.

In this, the saints are not made out to be gods, but they are certainly respected as elders, and spiritual role models for the faithful.

As for accepting anything that is sinful ... you're way off base. The Catholic Church has been fighting against sin, in all it's many forms, since the time of Christ, and even before Pentecost.

Your statement about only God being able to forgive sins is rooted in the old testament alone. The first thing Jesus did after he rose from the dead was to share that power with his apostles. The sacrament of reconciliation has always been a part of the true church, and it will always be.

The failures in the church are the failures of individual sinners, much as Judas' failure was his own, and was not to be blamed on Jesus or the apostles.

Much like the Jews before you, it is your late, artificially conceived, protestant faith traditions that blind you to the truth of Catholic teachings and beliefs, which will always remain the authentic teachings of Jesus and the apostles, faithfully handed down to us, for the purpose of our salvation.

Come out of that strange, incomplete, and cleverly crafted system of beliefs you choose to practice, and embrace the fullness of all God's truth and grace, which can only be obtained within the Catholic Church.

Answer 4

Everything the catholic church (the original church, with the "original" bible, by the way) does has been derived from the Bible.

You can pray to whoever you want to. It's been made clear that Mary and the other saints are holy and have a special place in heaven and are capable of listening to prayers and providing inspiration.


I also question your equating homosexuality with child molestations. One is a practice between two consenting adults, the other harms an innocent victim. That's like saying that straight-oral sex and murder are on equal levels of "wrong doing".

Every single argument you make could easily be turned around and applied to whatever religion you obviously blindly follow.

Answer 5

I have had conversations with many roman Catholics. Most either don't know the bible at all. OR completely make up things so that their contraditons from the bible are "OK".
Example: Jesus's brothers that are listed were his cousin's or from Joseph's previous marriage. We have at least one early church father that acknowledged Jesus had brothers named Eucebius-sp? What was an historian.
Or they add one lie then that leads to another lie;
Example: Mary was sinless, so her mother must have been a virgin when she had her by the holy spirit like Jesus and since she didn't sin she was taken up to heaven without dieing because sinless people don't die.
The list goes on and on. And none of this is biblical.
These have chosen to believe these lies because they are not lovers of the truth OR they'd rather go with their tradition over truth.
It's very sad. Many are leaving the RCC. We have many in my church which is "Christian".
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Answer 6

Hello Joe, I am not Catholic but, I know that it is not our business how someone else worships God. The definition of a Christian is one who has accepted Jesus Christ as their personal Lord and Savior, has repented of their sin and follows Him.

Religion, is man's way of trying to please God. Jesus, is God's way of reaching down to man.

You and I believe that our Father is God. We both probably believe that all Christians are priests. And we both probably are confused at times about what God expects of us. However, this is not what saves us.


Many of us cling to religion rather than Jesus Himself. Many of us cling to believing that we can save ourselves by the works that we do.

The blood of Jesus is what has saved us. Can we leave it up to Jesus as to who is His follower? Can we allow Jesus and God's written word, the Bible to teach us all through love?

Answer 7

Why does the Catholic Church encourage its members to pray for the dead?

The Scriptures very strictly forbid any attempt to summon the spirits of the dead or to try to engage them in conversation mention in Leviticus 19:31 and 20:6, as well as 1 Samuel 28.

The souls of the dead, saint and sinner alike, are not active but quiescent.

In Psalm 115:17 it says “The dead cannot sing praises to the Lord, for they have gone into the silence of the grave.”

In Psalm 6:5 it says “For there is no mention of You in death; In Sheol who will give You thanks?”

In Psalm 31:17 it says “Don't let me be disgraced, O LORD, for I call out to you for help. Let the wicked be disgraced; let them lie silent in Sheol.”

Answer 8

True Christians don't pray to the saints or Jesus. At Matt. 6:9, Jesus instructed: "OUR FATHER in the heavens, let your name be sanctified..." You can't get more plain than that!

Answer 9

How can we answer questions from people that hate us? Would you listen or read if we did? I would pray for you to gain understanding but apparently that would considered idolatrous by you since only Jesus can intercede in any way. That is what you said right?

Answer 10

The real question here may be how can you justify your judgmental attitude when Jesus ask that we judge not.

Can you be a follower of Jesus and do the exact opposite of what he taught us?

I don't think so.

Love and blessings Don

Answer 11

Well, I’m sure you know the Bible better than I do, so tell me—does it say somewhere in the Bible that we shouldn’t confess our sins to a man? That we should confess our sins to God alone?

Well, if we’re not supposed to confess our sins to men, I’m a little confused. Maybe you can explain this to me. Doesn’t James 5:16 tell us that we are to confess are sins to men? And, in Matthew 9:8, why does God give the authority on earth to forgive sins to men if we are supposed to confess our sins to God alone?Read Matthew 9:8.....What does that mean?

The Catholic Church teaches that both faith and works play a role in our salvation. But I think you believe in salvation by faith alone, right? Where in the Bible does it say that we are saved by faith alone?

What it says in the Bible speaks of belief in Christ or "faith." Catholics believe we are saved by faith, and our understanding of faith means that we believe Jesus is God, and, therefore, we trust what he says and we do as he asks, which demonstrates our love for him. That’s biblical (Matt. 5:48; 19:16–17; John 14:21; Gal. 5:5–6). But nowhere does the Bible say that we are saved by faith "alone."

If we are saved by faith alone, then do we need to love in order to be saved? If so, then we are not saved by faith alone, are we? We are saved by faith and love—which Catholics refer to as faith working through love (cf. Gal. 5:6). If a person says we do not need love in order to be saved, then he is saying we can get to heaven without loving God or our fellow man—a patently ridiculous position to take. Also, if faith alone saves us, faith without love, why does 1 Corinthians 13:13 say that love is greater than faith? After all, if salvation is the greatest thing we can achieve, and it is by faith alone that we achieve salvation, then faith should be greater than love. But the Bible says differently.

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