How do you explain this?

Question

Many on here profess to be atheists and only believe in scientific means or explanations.
Mathematics is a science.
Mathematics is accepted as being correct.
Mathematics is accepted because the book says it is so.
Mathematics is accepted on blind faith.
Applying some corelation:
God is accepted on blind faith.
God is accepted because the book says it is so.
God is accepted as being correct.
God is science
Therefore Atheist believe in God.

Now, where does the reasoning break down? I am hoping for serious answers, not just shrill trite inane ramblings.

Only one or two real answers so far. Still getting the argument that math is provable. How about if someone says God is provable. They don't believe in your math. Than what?

Chris, you almost made a point, until you resorted to bad mouthing.

Answer 1

Along the same lines ...

Man will accept that a star is millions of light years away, but won't believe a "wet paint" sign on a bench.

How can you expect atheists to accept God?

Answer 2

Ok. Firstly, this is not reasoning, it's a comparison -- an analogy. Analogies do not prove anything.

A logical proof is something like "All men are mortal. Socrates is a man. Therefore Socrates is mortal."

What you're doing here is trying to draw comparisons between math and god -- that's fine, but it's not a proof of anything. For example:

Dogs are alive. God is alive.
Dogs are loyal. God is loyal.
Dogs are sometimes hard to find. God is sometimes hard to find.
Therefore God is a dog.

It just doesn't work.

*deep breathe*

Secondly, a few of your comparisons are flawed. Math is accepted as being correct because the laws of logic are accepted as correct. That's not from a book, that's from necessity. The very first axioms in math are the logical laws: the Law of Identity and Law of the Excluded Middle. Math takes a definition, applies a logical process, and comes up with a new solution. There is no faith involved in accepting the laws of logic, because it would be impossible not to. For example, you don't ever fear that your computer is going to turn into a bear because of the law of identity (things are what they are). Even to type your question means you assume:
a) English exists
b) the internet exists
c) there are people that will read and understand your question
d) there are people that will respond

All these assumptions are based, at the core, on the law of identity. You assume things are what they are. It takes as much blind faith to post your question as it does to accept math.

Taking the traits of God and trying to do some literary acrobatics to redefine atheists out of existence is a waste of time, and misses the point. God is a supernatural being. I don't think that supernatural beings exist. Therefore, I am an atheist.

Answer 3

some math maybe (i stink at math, but kinda remember something about "theories" - maybe that refered to things accepted and not proved?)

the real break down for me starts where is says they are accepted on blind faith - a lot of people "research" both math and religion, esp. if they want what they say published in the "book"

the other thing is that it kinda falls apart where it says atheists believe in god because they believe in science and god is science. i believe in a natural order, but not the "big bang" theory. both are considered science by some, doesn't mean both are considered science by me. for an atheist, god is not science.

beliefs are personal - meant to make us wonder, find our own path so that it "becomes" true.
math is impersonal - meant to give a firm answer and provide an order, so that the question is no longer needed.

not sure what you were looking for, but i hope that helped!

Answer 4

Math is based on reality. Math is based on solid concrete measurable qualities. Mathematical formulas can be tested over and over again and proven correct. Math is not blind faith. If you can't see that 1+1=2, not just because some book says so but because it is the only answer there is, then you have a real problem and probably should check yourself into a hospital that deals with sever neurological diseases.

Answer 5

Mathematics makes sense and is logical. It does not involve any faith. You are making a big leap here that makes no sense. Your A does not lead to B and does not support your conclusion, C.

Here is where the reasoning breaks down. There is no faith in math. Something either equals something or doesn't. It's black and white. It's right or wrong. (Faith in science is different. There are those who have faith in science). However, having faith in one thing, does not translate to having faith in God. The argument here that you could possibly claim is that non-believers say that blind faith is foolish, and you can argue that many believers also have blind faith in something, therefore cannot say that blind faith is foolish. But at this point, that is as far as your argument can go with what you have given. Having faith in one thing does not translate to believing in God or having faith in God. It does not logically lead to that conclusion.

Now you could argue as you did in the last statement that God is science and therefore those who have faith in Science have faith in God. However, you will have a difficult time proving that God is science. If one does not accept that statement, then one cannot accept your conclusion.

Statement A (Science is accepted on faith) and statement B (Sceince is God) must be absolutely true in order to support statement C (Those who have faith in science have faith in God). In your opinion they are all true, but you can't prove it, and you won't convince a non believer of it.

Answer 6

Hey, baby - I'll take 2 apples, add 2 more and show you clearly that
2+2=4.
People who read that in a book accept it because they know that they can test it and prove it true, so they DON'T accept it on blind faith.
Now it's your turn to do your 2+2 for me.

Answer 7

Pratyaksa, anumäna, and sabda. Pratyaksa means direct evidence by the senses. But since the senses are imperfect, often has to be corrected by higher knowledge. Anumäna refers to deductive and inductive logic, which depends on the validity of its premises and reasons, and so cannot prove anything with final certainty. Sabda means receiving knowledge from authoritative sources. Vedic knowledge is Sabda-pramäna. pramana: means proof. We all must accept an authority. Either God, scientist, or our mind.

Answer 8

Mathematics is not accepted as being correct - it's been proven and disproven many times before people find the correct answer

Mathematics is NOT accepted on blind faith

Your rambling has no logic at all

Answer 9

You break down at the point of "because the book says so" regarding mathematics. Math and science are accepted because they are testable and falsifiable, based upon evidence and study--never blind faith. Belief and faith have nothing to do with science and mathematics.

On a personal note: please trying to convince atheists that deep down, we really DO believe in a god. We don't, and it's rude to presume you know better than we do.

Answer 10

Mathematics is just not accepted, it goes through the same rigors as science. Just like science math can be proved are disproved.
P.S. Do you really think you'll convert Atheists to Theists by trying to convince them that they are really Theists?