I don't totally agree with the TULIP stance.....but I do consider myself a Calvinist.
I believe that the sovereignty of God and the free will of man work side by side.....How? We don't know.
Remember...it is God who must prompt us to believe in Him....He is in control of everything. We, as sinful people could never look for God....He had to find us first. My salvation is in His control and not mine.
2007-02-13 02:38:15
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answered by primoa1970 7
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This is what I know from 35+ yrs. of study in the orig manuscripts:
I just heard of this Calvinism stuff the other day.
The points you have listed are interesting.
The manuscripts explain that before Adam and Eve came on the scene, before this flesh age, there was a great war, that satan started.
One-third of our people went on satans side, a great portion remained neutral, and then there was a group who stayed on the side of God, never faltering, loyal. After satan was defeated, God called that loyal group His Election, or His Elect; they were judged right there and then, and so they do not have free will in this flesh age. They don't need free will, because they were already judged. They will not go through the great throne judgement as the others will.
This is the explanation of why the Elect were chosen of God - not because God was unfair, and not because God thought these were the prettiest, or better than anyone else, but because they earned the right to be the elect of God.
True, God would not deny the Elect His grace, of course not. As far as "P' goes, of course it can't be changed - they were already judged.
HOWEVER: The limited atonement part doesn't sound right. When Christ was crucified, it opened up salvation to whomever would call on His name. Any sins committed, whether it be of Gods Elect, or anyone else, if the person repents in sincerity, those sins are forgiven.
So, although they have part of it right, they cannot say that only Gods Elect can be forgiven, atoned of sin, or anything else. All people can be forgiven and saved through Christ. The Election are the group of people who will in the end generation witness against the Antichrist, just as they did in the previous earth age. Same deal. They will not falter, they will call him a fake - which is what he will be -
Antichrist will be coming disguised and pretending to be Jesus Christ himself. But its the fake, and he will come first, before Christ.
This will deceive the mass majority of good, well-meaning Christian folks who listen to a pastor instead of to whats written in Gods Word. The Elect have important work to do in this final generation, and that work will get done.
That is what the manuscripts say on the subject.
Both Books of Peter are written specifically to the Elect of God.
2007-02-13 02:50:30
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answered by Anonymous
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Oh, I agree with Calvinism completely. The opposite of this is Arminianism, take a look:
T - We are depraved, but not so depraved that we can't look to God for salvation, even though the Bible tells us that "there is none who understands; there is none who seeks after God", Romans 3:11.
U - God chose EVERYBODY, even though the Bible tells us that "... many are called, but few are chosen", Matthew 20:16.
L - Christ died for EVERYBODY, even though when Jesus prayed in the Garden of Gethsemane, he said that "the world has not known you, but I have known you; and these have known that you sent me". He didn't pray for all of mankind, why should he? And he prayed this right before his execution, go figure, no connection with the ones that the Father had left in their sins.
I - Man can resist the power of God himself and the power of the Holy Spirit working in his heart, in spite of Jeremiah 20 4:7, "then I will give them a heart to know me, that I am the Lord; and they shall be my people, and I will be their God, for they shall return to me with their whole heart." Did you see SHALL in there? WILL?
P - God has no power to keep anyone in the palm of his hand, in spite of John 10:29, "my Father, who has given them to me, is greater than all; and no one is able to snatch them out of my Father's hand."
Calvinism gives us a view of an omniscient God and a damaged man, whereas Arminianism gives us a weak God and gives man credit for what only God can do. I find this to be arrogant, humanist, and insulting of God's grace and power. Arminianism cannot touch Calvinism.
2007-02-13 03:09:11
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answered by ccrider 7
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No I don't. Calvinism believes that only the certain elect will be saved.
Christ said :
Mat 11:28 Come unto me, all [ye] that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest.
Mar 16:16 He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.
I will take the Lord's word over John Calvin.
2007-02-13 02:55:54
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answered by ViolationsRus 4
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Calvinism is the closest thing to genuine Satanism I have ever come across.
Calvin's God is a monster who creates sentient beings solely for eternal torment.
Calvinism's compatibilism is incoherent. To suggest that free will is compatible with predestination is like talking about a square circle; it simply means nothing.
Calvinism is the most monstrous doctrinal system ever conceived by a human being. It makes God evil.
2007-02-13 02:38:51
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answered by Anonymous
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I'm baptist, which is basically rooted in Calvinism. That being said I'm not near that extreme. I believe grace is given to ANYONE who will except it. I do believe people's nature is sinful, and once save always saved... accepting that some people who think they are saved are not.
2007-02-13 02:38:50
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answered by Scott B 7
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I think it's all B.S. After all, what good is it to follow the rules and worship God if it's possibly already been determined from the beginning that you're going to hell?
2007-02-13 02:38:15
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answered by tangerine 7
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Nope. I don't believe in unchangeable destiny. Just in predictable consequences. Well, I also don't believe in the Abrahamic God, so I guess it's all moot anyway.
2007-02-13 02:37:19
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answered by Anonymous
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I agree with its austerity and rigorous self denial and emphasis on improvement through education - Calvinism brought my country, Scotland many benefits. I don't agree with any of its theology.
2007-02-13 02:36:55
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answered by Anonymous
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No because the nature of man is laid out in the Torah and the Oral Law.
2007-02-13 02:36:36
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answered by Harry R 3
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