God and Morals Part 2?

Question

There is no right or wrong inherit in the universe in a world without God. Right and wrong are feelings. When you see a child murdered, and feel that is “wrong.” “Wrong” is describing your emotional reaction to seeing that event, and nothing more. There is no law in the universe about what humans should and should not do that is broken. Murder may break your personal ethical code, your societies’ laws, and may be frowned upon by your culture, but that’s it.
In a world without God you are free to create your own moral compass, and no choice is “right” or “wrong.” It is just a choice. I do not understand why atheist are unwilling to come to grips with the fact that without a God, the concept of “right” and “wrong” is superficial. In my opinion to be an existentially honest atheist you must throw out the myth that “right” or “wrong” describe anything more than a human’s mental state at a particular moment. Why will atheist not embrace their freedom to choose? Are you ashamed?

I am not in any way saying that Atheists are bad people. I know Many that live with high standards to their personal ethical codes.

I am not saying you cannot "know" right and wrong. I am saying it is meaningless.

Answer 1

Dear Friends

The Bible teaches: Romans 2:14(Indeed, when Gentiles, who do not have the law, do by nature things required by the law, they are a law for themselves, even though they do not have the law, 15since they show that the requirements of the law are written on their hearts, their consciences also bearing witness, and their thoughts now accusing, now even defending them.) 16This will take place on the day when God will judge men's secrets through Jesus Christ, as my gospel declares.

The law of God is written on our hearts. Christians believe that God created all things whether you are a believer or an Atheist, god loves you. He gave all of us a moral compass, so that we are all born with a sense of right and wrong.

So Brothers, whether you are an atheist or a believer, the law of the Lord is on all of our hearts.

God Bless

Answer 2

Not all but certainly most humans have a natural sense of altruism and empathy, we help each other out when the chips are down , this is true of all people and has little to do with religion, there have always been and will always be psychopaths who murder, rape, steal without any apparent remorse but they are outside the normal range of humanity, religion has no effect on these type of people nor does reason.

Right and wrong really are subjective and as Shakespeare said "A thing is neither right nor wrong but thinking makes it so" , so right and wrong are not meaningless but they can be different things to different people sometimes when they are both in a shared situation...example is war where both sides think they are right, and if they have religion both sides may believe God is on their side.

One man's morality can be another man's oppression, it truly depends on the situation and from who's viewpoint you are looking at a thing to make a decision, sometimes it's an impossible dilemma.

I think the one size fits all morality of religion is very convenient for those who belong to that particular religion, it is pretty much useless applied in a blanket fashion to all situations and to a non religious world.

So no, as an atheist I am not ashamed to view each situation as I come upon it and reason for myself what would be the best course of action or response, that is true personal morality and taking responsibility for my actions...whereas church morality is just keeping to a set of orders through fear of punishment and that as far as I can see is not really morality at all.

Answer 3

just because someone says they are a christian doesn't mean that they are. you judge a tree by its fruit, which is next to impossible to do on the Internet, so i would take almost everything you hear/read as opinion. (that includes what i am writing now, except for this next line.) if i say that i am a vegetarian, yet eat meat, would i still be a vegetarian? i could be mistaken about something because i don't understand it fully, but that's a whole other road which would require a 10 page explanation. As far as God being all knowing, He is. As far as free will being scriptural, Gen 2:19 Now the Lord God had formed out of the ground all the beasts of the field and all the birds of the air. He brought them to the man to see what he would name them; and whatever the man called each living creature, that was its name. i know its a simple example but you have to start somewhere. Man had a choice of what to call each animal. A choice is the one requirement of free will.

Answer 4

You are an example of why some join a religion. You need a moral compass because you may not have one of your own. This is the same reason some join the military, so they don't have to think for themselves. Just do what you are told. How can you live in a free country and keep yourself in bondage with religion? You will never be free and you will never grow up if you have to have an authority figure telling you what to do. It is frightening to let go of your security blanket but it is what we all must do to mature. We all need support, but that is not the same as dependency. In my opinion, anyone who adheres to religious dogma will never know their true self. As an Atheist I am free to speak any opinion on any topic and not feel an obligation to agree with things I don't. If Atheism ever becomes a religious type movement with specific beliefs one must adhere to, I will cease to use that word in describing myself, because I am free.

Answer 5

Atheism is materialistic not accepting soul, afterlife, Supreme etc..

Srila Bhaktivinoda Thakura, in his Tattva Viveka discusses with reason and logic the fallacy of Atheism which is materialistic not spiritualistic. Here it is:-

When one deeply thinks about the ideas of all these materialistic philosophers, one will see that materialism is useless and untenable. When one simply glances at them with the eyes of pure spiritual logic, one will reject these ideas as pathetic and untenable. Even ordinary material logic will show these ideas are untenable and should be rejected. This is seen in the following ways:
1. The philosophy of materialism searches for a single principle that is the root of all existence. This is a great folly. If one thinks the material atoms are eternal, the void is eternal, the relation between the void and the material elements is inconceivable, and the powers, qualities, and actions of the material atoms are also eternal, and all these things are eternal and beginningless, then he cannot accept that the material world was ever created. A person who accepts these ideas cannot reduce the material world to a single underlying principle. He must accept the simultaneous existence of many principles. What is time? That he has no power to say. In this way their attempt to find a single underlying principle that governs the material world is only the wild babbling of a child.
2. The philosophy of Materialism is unnatural and unscientific. It is unnatural because every nature has a cause. To assume that matter is eternal and is the cause of consciousness, which appears only as a by-product of matter, is very illogical. The presence of causes and effects is natural in the world of gross matter. Without causes and effects the material world would not be as it is. The philosophy of Materialism is unscientific because consciousness has the power to manipulate and control inert matter. Therefore the idea that consciousness is merely a by-product of matter is fiercely opposed to true scientific thinking.
3. Consciousness is naturally superior to inert matter. Only fools say consciousness is a by-product of matter. Professor Ferris has clearly explained all this.
4. Can anyone prove that matter is eternal? Professor Tyndall has clearly shown there is evidence to prove the eternity of matter. If someone claims that he has looked eternally into the past and eternally into the future and he has seen that matter is eternal, no one should believe him.
5. Buchner and Molescott claim that matter is eternal. That is an imagination that exists only in their heads. If in the course of time matter ceases to exist, their ideas will become lies.
6. Comte writes: "We should not try to discover the origin or the conclusion of the material world. That attempt is only childish curiosity." However, because the living entity is by nature conscious, he naturally curious to know these things. The living entity cannot perform a funeral rite to celebrate the death of his own natural curiosity. The search for causes and effects is the mother of all true knowledge. If Compte's idea is accepted, human intelligence will be destroyed in a few days. Of that there is no doubt. Then human beings will all become stunted, numbed, and unthinking.
7. No one has ever seen human consciousness created from dull material elements. Only fools believe this will ever happen. In the book I hold in my hand, a history book describing three thousand years of human history, no one has ever seen an human being spontaneously manifested from inert matter. If human life is manifest from the spontaneous interactions of material elements, then in the course of all those years at least one human being would have been spontaneously manifested from inert matter.
8. The graceful and harmonious arrangement of human beings, animals, trees, and other living entities in this world points to a creator and controller. In this way it is seen that there must be a conscious supreme creator.

In these many ways the philosophy of Materialism is refuted even by ordinary logic. Only very unfortunate people accept the ideas of Materialism. They have no idea of spiritual happiness.

Answer 6

Not only are you insulting atheists by aiming this at them, but you are claiming that Judeo-Christian religion holds the monopoly on morals. What say you about the hundreds of other religions out there?

As I've said before, religion doesn't dictate human morals, society does. People make the rules and people live by them. Morals are based almost entirely on what delights and disgusts the majority.

Answer 7

The only thing I am ashamed of is people like you. You can explain yourself a million ways and all I can see is your unflinching contempt for non-believers. Right is right and wrong is wrong. Hurting others, physically, emotionally or financially is wrong. Period. You don't need gods to tell you that. Hammurabi wrote all of those things into his Code, 300 years before the Jews ripped it off for their Ten Commandments. Your question lacks merit. Go bait someone else.

Answer 8

I remember reading about a group of six monkeys. These monkeys basically had all the food they wanted by pulling on some chains which released the food.

They brought in a seventh monkey and shocked this monkey when the other monkeys pulled the chain that got them the most food (I guess there was a second chain that only got them a little food).

When the monkeys noticed that their action was hurting the other monkey *they stopped pulling that chain completely*.

They choose to starve themselves over hurting the other monkey.

No God, no laws, no constitution, no commandments.

Answer 9

What meaning does God give morals?
Right and wrong have meaning for me, I do right by my family and friends not for the hope of reward or fear of retribution but because it makes them feel good and me. Doing bad makes me feel bad. There in lies the meaning. 10 billion years from now Earth will have been meaningless, a victim of the suns expired life span, a few billion years back. A hundred years from now I will have forgotten this conversation and it will be meaningless.
Perhaps you feel that the meaning God gives is permanence, God knows everything, remembers everything, you think your life on Earth here will have some eternal meaning, that's ok, go for it. I just disagree that morals only have meaning because of bible God. I think they have meaning because of life.

Answer 10

I think you’re just putting words in atheist's mouth. They don't believe in god hence they have there own moral compass. I'm pretty sure me and my brethren know that we do not strictly follow the morals taught in the bible haha. There are plenty of bad moral in the bible anyways. Anyone that gets there morals from a book is delusional and a threat to society. You should decide your life based on how it affects those around you and your future.