If one is infinite, wouldnt it negate the other 2? I mean, there cannot be 2 infinites because being infinite means all is included, and they cannot both include eachother and still remain separate, right?
2007-02-12 14:19:21 · 27 answers · asked by Anonymous in Society & Culture ➔ Religion & Spirituality
So Jesus prayed to himself?
2007-02-12 14:26:52 · update #1
God is one what and three whos.Father,Son,and Holy Spirit...1x1x1= 1 God not 1+1+1=3 separate gods.They are separate but one in essence.As in Genesis 1 where they say"Let US make man in OUR image" Then in John 1 it says "In the begining was the Word(Jesus) and the Word was with God and the Word was God."
Collosians 1 says"All things were created by God through Jesus Christ".
That puts them all there at creation.Including "In the begining God created the heavens and the Earth,and the Spirit(Holy) of God hovered over the waters.
2007-02-12 14:31:05 · answer #1 · answered by AngelsFan 6 · 1⤊ 0⤋
To me this is a little confusing. I know what the tenants of my faith teach, but I am not sure I totally agree in its biblical value. I think they are maybe 2 seperate beings, God the father is superior, Jesus is His son and heir, the Holy spirit is the spirit of God indwelt in Christians not a seperate being so much as an extension of God.
I do think that they are all united in a common plan and that they are all holy. But I agree with you that there are so many places in the bible that clearly seperates God and Jesus into 2 seperate beings that I have trouble believing God would write it that way and have it be symbolic.
In Daniel there is prophesy that show God and Jesus. Jesus NEVER says He is God. Always that He is the Son of God. We are not to worship Jesus or to pray to Jesus. We worship God and pray through Jesus or in His name. Jesus prays to God the father and submits to His will as an act of obedience. Why would He pray to Himself or question if there was not another way? How could God turn away from Himself and then feel forsaken? When Jesus talks of departing and rising to heaven He says that when He departs another will come, He does not say part of me will remain or return. It is a new entity.
All that being said, I just don't know. But, I don't really have to know whether they are 1 or 2 or 3 to believe. So, I will find out in heaven.
2007-02-12 22:39:23 · answer #2 · answered by micheletmoore 4 · 0⤊ 0⤋
This is a matter of belief than a question about the Trinity.
From Genesis, we know that God (YHWH--name given to Moses) existed before he created everything we can observe. The only thing we know about God is what he tells us.
You have made some assumptions. Now you ask us to agree or disagree with your deductions. The only problem you that you are using science to define revelation, not revelation by itself.
We know that God is an eternal spirit (with no beginning or end). We get the name of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit as a prayer from the Gospel of John without details. That is all we have and that is all we will ever have.
Answer: God says what he means and he means what he says. God did not say the things that you attribute to him. Maybe you should try some mathematics.
2007-02-12 22:34:41 · answer #3 · answered by J. 7 · 0⤊ 0⤋
Like Patrone says, the Trinity IS 3 entities in one, ever present together, existing within each other. Separately they represent three crucial truths of the Roman Catholic Church (and others I'm guessing). Forming a triangle, which is really a circle with points, it is all-inclusive. God the Father is the Great Maker, the Holy Spirit is the essence of God, and the Son is the inheritance of the Father......
2007-02-12 22:27:13 · answer #4 · answered by Patricia D 6 · 0⤊ 0⤋
Jesus is the express image, the incarnation, of the invisible God and the Holy Ghost, using the term Ghost as opposed to Spirit, which means that he is the spirit of the one who lived on the earth and is now in heaven, is the spirit of Christ who lives within believers in him and who we can feel the presence of.
When Jesus walked on the earth the devils knew him because he is God in the flesh and the Holy Spirit is with him. They being spirits knew who he was. God is One. He is a spirit and only when God reveals the truth to you spiritually can you see the Godhead. That's why Jesus said you must be born again, of water and the Spirit.
2007-02-12 22:44:48 · answer #5 · answered by hisgloryisgreat 6 · 0⤊ 0⤋
they are separate persons of one infinite substance. that is the hardest concept - actually, it's impossible - to grasp. this is the classical explanation that i use:
Father = God
Son = God
Holy Ghost = God
Father does not = Son, Spirit
Son does not = Father, Spirit
Spirit does not = Father, Son
they are not three separate Gods, they are an economic organization of one God in three persons. we'll never understand this side of eternity.
EDIT: there are multiple infinities anyway.
between 0 and 1, there are an infinite amount of fractions.
between 0 and 2, there are twice as infinite an amount
yeesh...i hate math.
2007-02-12 22:26:07 · answer #6 · answered by κερυξω 3 · 0⤊ 0⤋
God (the Father) has always existed. When he began creating, he made Jesus first (that is why Jesus is called the firstborn son). (Colossians 1:15-19) (Revelation 3:14)
God remained in heaven while Jesus was sent to the earth.
Jesus himself said that his father was superior (John 14:28) When Jesus prayed, he was not just speaking to himself, he was communicating with his Father who was still in heaven. Very importantly, when Jesus DIED, it was his Father who resurrected him. (If Jesus was the same as his Father, then that would mean that God was dead during the time that Jesus was dead, and if God was dead, then who resurrected him?)
Jesus is very much like his Father, the Bible calls him the Image of the Invisible God. Just like human sons who often closely resemble their fathers in personality and traits, Jesus closely resembles his Father.
The holy spirit is not a person at all, but is God's active force.
2007-02-12 23:18:09 · answer #7 · answered by Ronnee 1 · 0⤊ 0⤋
I think it's more like when we pray we are praying to God, to his son Jesus for saving us, and to the Holy Spirit (which lives in all of us) and yes of course is a part of God. I mean Jesus was the son of God. But I was taught that we were all God's children. So I always gathered from that, that we all have God inside of us (most people say the holy spirit though).
2007-02-12 22:42:38 · answer #8 · answered by cuteness 4 · 0⤊ 0⤋
Though the Son definitely was separate when he was on the Earth he was with God in the beginning and they are one God. I don't think one negates the others any more than you yourself are body and spirit and one does not negate the other and both are at this time together but are not necessarily bound forever together...When you die the spirit does not die therefore it at least temporarily is separate from your flesh but it none the less is still you. Jesus while on the earth was flesh and the bible teaches the flesh should be in submission ot the spirit and the same holds true with God his flesh was in submission to the Father who is spirit. and the same should be true of you also that your flesh is in submission to your spirit.
2007-02-12 22:30:47 · answer #9 · answered by Simon Cyrene 3 · 0⤊ 0⤋
No. God is Spirit, invisible. Jesus is God visible. Holy Ghost is the power of God, among other things.
2007-02-12 22:27:31 · answer #10 · answered by michael m 5 · 0⤊ 0⤋