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Aye theres something called evolution also, but doesnt it all boil down to: where did the small particle of matter come from?

2007-02-12 05:52:05 · 18 answers · asked by Antares 6 in Society & Culture Religion & Spirituality

We muslims call this faith from logical deduction.

2007-02-12 05:56:15 · update #1

There can only be one Creator and since that Creator is eternal in form and in capacity to create endless number of creations, the creations have to be non-eternal and limited in nature.

2007-02-12 06:01:26 · update #2

Aye but see you cant ask the question: Where did God come from?

Hes not a creation. So he can come from anywhere.

2007-02-12 06:03:03 · update #3

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Yes. This is one of the biggest proofs of the existence of God. Creation cannot create itself. In other words, something cannot come from nothing.

2007-02-12 05:55:02 · answer #1 · answered by aroundworldsports 2 · 2 3

Your "logical deduction" isn't logical nor a deduction. Because we can extend your same logic to ask "Where did God come from?"

If you say "well he always existed", then this begs the question of why we can't say "well matter and the laws of physics always existed". And those who ask "What happened before the big bang?" clearly don't have an idea of what the big bang is about, because that question makes as much sense as "What's 10 miles north of the north pole?"

Some people try using the fallacy of bifurcation to say "Oh there are only two possibilities, either a big invisible man created everything, or everything arrived by pure random chance." Science (if you actually take the time to read up on it) doesn't propose that the universe came from either.

2007-02-12 14:00:36 · answer #2 · answered by Anonymous · 1 0

My question to "around" then is if creation cannot create itself, then who/what created the creator. Or where did it/he/she come from? And why is it ok to have a creator come from nothing, and not the creation?

'Hes not a creation. So he can come from anywhere"

With all due respect, that sounds more of a catch all. Those ususally aren't logically sound.

If the creator can come from anywhere, if anywhere existed for that creator to come from... well, there is something beyond the creator.

This is the way I personally see things. From the beginning of our known time, humans have thought of natural things/scientific things as magic, God, or miracles because we could not explain them. For example, Thor and lightening... and so on and so forth. Since I have not seen anything yet, that did not follow the ways of science and natural law, I'm going to say that there most likely a logical, and scientific explantation out there for where we came from... one that we just do not have the science or capability to understand yet. And because we cannot understand it, our nature, creates a need for us to ask "why and how." And I think God is that why and how.

Please don't be offended. I didn't want to offend anyone. This is my personal opinion.

2007-02-12 13:57:16 · answer #3 · answered by froggypjs 5 · 3 1

Given that the Creator would not have had a creator, I'd say your statement is false.

If a creator is unnecessary for the existence of something so complex as a Creator, why would anything else need one?

Even if God has always been, that doesn't negate the fact that he didn't need a Creator. Your last point is exactly what I'm talking about.

2007-02-12 14:01:45 · answer #4 · answered by Phoenix, Wise Guru 7 · 3 0

Your question assumes exactly what it wishes to prove. This is a propter hoc fallacy (can't say full name, for some reason Yahoo censors the latin).

Your third word, "creation" is the assumption. You ASSUME that there is a creation, and then of course, there has to be a creator.

Please read a book. Christians need to understand that evolutionary theory does NOT address the origin of life, simply its development. Evolution assumes life (a safe assumption, since life apparently exists) and works off of that.

2007-02-12 13:58:16 · answer #5 · answered by Anonymous · 1 0

That's cosmology, not evolution. If a Creator is supposed to be eternal, why can't mass-energy be eternal? We don't know where the universe came from, but that does not make the answer God.

2007-02-12 13:58:13 · answer #6 · answered by novangelis 7 · 1 0

Okay. Let's say the little bit of matter was created by Allah.

What then created Allah?

If the singularity requires a creator, and cannot itself be self-creating or eternal, then logically, so does Allah. That singularity itself existed outside of space and time so it can have all the attributes of existence of an infinite deity applied to it, without the emotive attributes or intellectual attributes.

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Okay, then if Allah can exist forever and not need to be created, so can the quantum field from which our universe formed, without being created.

Again, Allah becomes unnecessary or Allah must have a beginning. Since you assert that Allah has no beginning, that makes Allah unnecessary.

2007-02-12 14:01:25 · answer #7 · answered by Anonymous · 1 0

This is a simple logical fallacy specifically "Begging the Question" . You are presupposing there is creation. If this is your idea of logic I suggest enrolling in a logic course.

The idea that something seemingly improbable requires something more improbable to create it simply leads to infinite regression. We know instead that Natural Selection Processes explain seemingly improbable phenomena perfectly well. No infinitely improbable god is necessary.

2007-02-12 14:05:29 · answer #8 · answered by Anonymous · 1 0

You don't know where the small particle of matter came from unless you were there when it came. You can speculate and/or make educated guesses, but never be certain. Have you considered the possibility that this small particle of matter didn't come from anywhere, that it has always existed.

2007-02-12 13:57:09 · answer #9 · answered by Anonymous · 3 0

Yes, but a creator doesn't answer the question either. The question begs, 'where did God come from?' and we are still faced with an enigma.

2007-02-12 13:59:35 · answer #10 · answered by ? 5 · 1 0

Actually the matter existed prior to this creation. God organized it. Creation is a mistranslation.

2007-02-12 13:56:29 · answer #11 · answered by Answergirl 5 · 1 0

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