Christians: Can God do this?

Question

Can God make you PERFECTLY understand the lessons in Job without allowing Job to be hurt and without affecting your free will. If you say no, then God is not omnipotent. If you say yes, then he wants Job to be hurt for no reason.

Bill: No actually that's my point. He he can and just chooses not to, then HE IS EVIL.

Granny Snickers: Let me anhihilate your points:

"your logic is stunningly stupid"
-then you don't understand logic

"first of all God is not omnipotent"
-Fine. I'm not sure the other Chisistians will agree with you there though. If he's not he still could have refused the bet.

"secondly, God did not hurt Job, it says plainly that Satan inflicted the things on him"
-Whatever. God allowed it. Same thing.

"thirdly, God didn't allow it to happen to teach us something, it happened and God included it in His book so we could learn from it "
- Then why DID he allow it to happen.

Answer 1

your logic is stunningly stupid
first of all God is not omnipotent
there are several things He says he cannot do, like LIE
secondly, God did not hurt Job, it says plainly that Satan inflicted the things on him
thirdly, God didn't allow it to happen to teach us something, it happened and God included it in His book so we could learn from it

Answer 2

This is not a logical arguement. Especially when you read the book of Job.

If I would say YES, God still may have allowed Job to be hurt for a reason. Who says that the ONLY reason or even the MAIN reason that Job went throught those trials was to help our understanding?

Perhaps the reason Job went through what he did was so that HE could have a better understanding of God and prove his steadfast faithfulness.

Answer 3

Of course He can. There are many other lessons that teach the same point (obedience and faith) in a myriad of different ways throughout the scriptures. Did he want to hurt Job for no reason? No, of course not, it was a lesson for Job to learn, and the challenge was tough because Job was an exceptional man.

Just think of the rewards Job received both in his mortal life and in the life hereafter. Yes, God gives us trials and allows us to come in contact with unpleasant experiences in this life...but to suggest He does it out of sadism is sort of like accusing weight lifters of masochism rather than of body-building.

Answer 4

Not sure I understand your question, but exactly what did Job deserve? Didn't God put him in his place when he said he didn't do anything? God ruled the universe then, and he rules the universe now. Job didn't get "hurt for no reason" -- he was tested for God's reasons. Job didn't fail the test completely, but he got "one wrong" -- that of thinking that he was worth more than he really was before the Lord. And he got soundly put in his place before being "graded" on his obedience.

And I really wouldn't say that he was hurt for no reason if we can learn a lesson from this a couple thousand years later.

Answer 5

Yes, He can, of course. Job was one of Gods elect - he was chosen before the foundation of this earth age, according to the manuscripts, and did not have free will. Now, technically if God gave someone instant understanding of all the lessons contained in the Book of Job, it would be interfering with the persons free will. This life is about choice. If God stamped those lessons into someone's brain, it would naturally cause them to choose the way of God. Thats not what we want to happen. We want each person to choose, on their own and make the choice based on what they have personally done in their lives to attempt to acquire that information, knowledge, and understanding.
As far as Job goes, He would laugh right now at the "poor Job was hurt for no reason" statement. The reasons for all of it were hundreds of separate, intense lessons. Job is not only of Gods Election, but He is the role model of the Elect. If you asked Job if he would have wanted to not to have experienced all that crap, He would tell you that he'd want it to have been no other way. And, in this way, the lessons are taught over and over and over to generation upon generation - that way, only those who choose to want to have an understanding of those lessons, have them, and those who choose not to want to have anything to do with them, don't. That leaves free will in tact, while still offering some of the most important information and lessons ever available to man, there for the taking. Job is just fine. Both God and Job know (and knew) that this life is but a parenthesis. Birth opens it, and death of the flesh closes it. Its a small parenthesis in the large chapter of our real lives.

Answer 6

Uh, not sure I follow your logic on this (and I'm an atheist). In presenting an argument against a particular concept, you need to work with the framework of the concept and often times, the global framework as well. In this case, you need to understand what the book of Job is about, what freewill is about (from a religious, philosophical and scientific viewpoint), and of course, what omnipotence is...

Answer 7

We better read JOB 1:1 again, "There was a man in the land of Uz, whose name was Job; and that man was PERFECT and UPRIGHT, and one that feared God, and eschewed evil."

God does not test any man, but he allows it anyway to happen to anyone with a purpose in his mind. neither he will allows it to happen beyong our means and capacity.

The lesson to be learned here is 'no matter what happened' I do trust you.
The same thing with us, satan test us if we really are christian within not without.

Answer 8

I think you took a wrong turn near Albuquerque.......
God can do what He wants.....when He wants....and However He wants......
And no.....the way the book of Job was written cannot be different because that's how it was comissioned by God to be for us today.

Why question the truth? It's like trying to stomp on ants without having any feet.....

Answer 9

Poor Job. God didnt love him enough

Answer 10

""Can God make you PERFECTLY understand the lessons in Job""

Yep!