are they defending their positon of disbelief or are they really trying to say God does not exist. i mean if you defend your position to not believe, then it would indicate there is God, and if there truly were no God, then the argument would be pointless because there would not even be anything either side could argue. But if you say you don't believe then that really means that God exists, and you choose not to believe it. So which is it, your position of disbelief or that there is no God?
2007-02-11 14:22:19 · 22 answers · asked by karakittle 3 in Society & Culture ➔ Religion & Spirituality
It is God who reveals spiritual truth to us. Atheists tend to reject anything they can't experience with their five senses. That's on the conscious level. On the spiritual level, people are inclined to assert their autonomy or independence from God. This is the Garden of Eden scenario played out minute by minute across the planet. But He is there and He is seeking whoever will come. All they have to do is admit that they cannot know that there is no God by empirical tests and reach out to "what God may be there," and they will find the truth that you have found. I used to be an atheist, and I can tell you with no equivocation that it was a choice not to believe. When I recognized I was not qualified to make absolute declarations about eternity and infinity, I asked God if He were there, and if so, please reveal Himself to me. I have been a believer ever since.
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2007-02-11 14:32:16 · answer #1 · answered by celebduath 4 · 0⤊ 0⤋
No, your logic is flawed. Defending one's position on a subject with a logical argument and empirically-derived factual support shows the strength of your position, not its weakness. I believe it is something the religious do everyday (well, maybe minus the facts and a lot of the logic). In no way does a sound defense prove the opposite side of the argument; in fact, it weakens it.
And if there is no god, well, then the atheists are right, aren't they? People can argue about anything they want; the existence or non-existence of the subject matters not at all. Arguing about it does not actually make the subject any more real or unreal than it already is.
My real question is, why do you feel threatened by the arguments of atheists? could it be that your own arguments are giving ground to theirs?
2007-02-11 14:36:45 · answer #2 · answered by somebody 4 · 0⤊ 0⤋
It is sunny and 85 degrees outside...just because I choose to believe this doesn't change the fact that it is -20 and snowing. Your argument is quite philosophical. You are seeming to play with the words in the argument. By saying you dont believe that means theres really a God and you dont believe in him. Someone could say they believe in the tooth fairy, and that doesn't mean she exists. Someone could say they do not believe in God and that doesn't mean he does not exist. Belief is a state of opinion. I think for most athiests their argument is that God does not exist, not their position of disbelief. If they were arguing from a position of disbelief, it would kind of be pointless to argue at all, because that position would already be them admitting that they are choosing to be wrong. And people don't often argue for the "wrong" cause. I personally choose to embrace the mystery. No one really knows for sure. So, why argue. I choose to be agnostic.
2007-02-11 14:31:47 · answer #3 · answered by Lolly 3 · 1⤊ 0⤋
I believe God does not exist. The argument exists between people, not God. You are really looking too hard into your question. Read below and think about this..
A person who believes there is God justifies their answer by referencing the Bible, and/or personal experience.
A person who believes there is no God justifies their answer by referencing the Bible, and/or personal experience.
They are not arguing with God. They are arguing with each other. How in your mind do you conclude that if I were to argue with you that God doesn't exist, that my argument lends credibility that God exists?!
Long ago some people argued that the world was round and that it was not flat. That didn't lend credibility that the earth was flat did it?
BTW I am not trying to say that god does not exist. I am saying that God doesn't exist.
2007-02-11 14:39:10 · answer #4 · answered by elliott 4 · 1⤊ 0⤋
We don't need to defend a position of disbelief. And we aren't TRYING to say God does not exist, either. We are saying, bluntly (i.e., honestly), that God does NOT exist.
We are trying to show others who DO believe why it's illogical (e.g., no evidence).
"But if you say you don't believe then that really means that God exists, and you choose not to believe it."
- That has got to be the stupidest...
Look, if someone says "I do not believe in dragons", by your argument, dragons DO exist and this person is consciously deciding not to believe in something that really does exist.
THINK ON IT.
2007-02-11 14:32:04 · answer #5 · answered by Anonymous · 2⤊ 0⤋
An atheist denies the very existance of God or gods.
Your argument is not logical. I don't see how defending a position of non-belief of something means that something exists.
By the way, faith does not equal proof.
2007-02-11 14:38:01 · answer #6 · answered by Bill C 2 · 2⤊ 0⤋
Since when does denying God mean he exists? And if there were no God then the athiests could argue... AND BE RIGHT (which as far as I'm concerned, is the current case).
2007-02-11 14:26:25 · answer #7 · answered by Captain Obvious 2 · 0⤊ 0⤋
Do you really find it difficult to distinguish between an idea of a deity, which can be discussed, denied, affirmed, etc., and the supposed entity that idea points to? I deny there is any evidence of a deity; in fact, no such evidence is even possible. Therefor, based on the standards of evidence as layed out by modern science, the most reasonable stance is to deny that such an entity exists.
2007-02-11 14:32:31 · answer #8 · answered by neil s 7 · 0⤊ 0⤋
Seems to me that you are really grasping here. Perhaps it 's you who is doubting her own so-called beliefs.
Personally, I don't get the concept of "god"....I mean, I am supposed to believe there is this person-thingy up in the sky? And he's so mighty that there is nobody/nothing more powerful?
I don't think I could put my beliefs in anyone/anything that has such powers but doesn't prevent child rapes, rid the planet of starvation, cure diseases, stop wars, etc.
People who put so much faith in a fictitious entity are too afraid to take responsibility for their own actions. It ain't up to "god" folks...it's up to us. Be proactive, be good, be right, try hard and be kind. The keys to life.
2007-02-11 14:32:12 · answer #9 · answered by ssssss 4 · 1⤊ 0⤋
Aren't you cute, learning to twist language like that. It's silly, but nonetheless shows you're growing up, ready to begin working for an advertising agency that can tell everyone that smoking cures cancer (by killing the victim off), that guns don't kill people (people kill people), or that global warming is caused by bovine flatulence.
Atheists, just like you, don't believe that pigs can fly. And we can defend that belief, together. This does not mean that by defending that belief, Farmer John's sow is about to leap into the sky and do barrel rolls over the barn.
Kindly don't insult people with word games. You make yourself look either stupid or deceitful, and I don't believe God would be pleased with a follower who gives him a bad name.
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2007-02-11 14:31:55 · answer #10 · answered by NHBaritone 7 · 2⤊ 0⤋