I asked about God being omnipotent, omniscient, and omnibenevolent. So with this answered as yes by most,?

Question

If god is all knowing, he knows both the past and the future. So he all ready knows if we are going to be born sinners, or as non-believers. So to punish us in hell is unreasonable if he is all good. If he is all powerful he controls all as well, so he controls the fact that we are born the way we are, controls the way we act. Therefore, he is the one who has willed us to commit sins, to go against god. This also makes it impossible for him to be all good. If he is all knowing and all powerful, than he knowingly has created natural disasters, disease, suffering, et cetera. And, he is all powerful and all knoing so he knows how he has made us and makes us suffer anyway. It seems to me god cannot be all three, or even one. If you say he is all good he can not be all powerful, because he cannot control the "bad" things that happen to people. If he knowing he can not be all powerful unless he is not all good. I think I see a contradiction of huge sorts.

Answer 1

You're right, there is a contradiction. Belief in an omniscient omnipotenet and omnibenevolent deity has led to so much violence and despair that it ought to be retired.
Your line of thought is well explored in Harold Kushner's book _When Bad Things Happen to Good People_ It's a bestseller and a classic. Check it out.
I take it even further than Rabbi Kushner, who concluded that God is a work in progress. I'm a panthiest.

Answer 2

You see contridications because you want to see that. Let's examine your contradictory statements. Yes, God knows that we are all born sinners and He knows not only will there be non-believers but those that are hell bent on recruiting other non-believers. God gives us so much information to prove His existence and His deity. He also gives us so many opportunities to repent our sins and accept Him. Once we do those things He will not punish us in hell.
The way you act is not a result of being born into sin or being born period. The way we act is strictly our own decisions. That's just a cop out. I was born in the ghetto or in the slums or in a trailor so I have to act ghetto or slummy or like trailor trash. If that was so there are so many rich people today, successful people today, happy people today that were not born that way.
Yes He created and allows disease, natural disasters, suffering, etc. He also created and allows medication and treatment for these things. God didn't personally created the nuclear bomb but He did give man the free will and knowledge to create such things.
It sounds like the only way you would believe that God exists was if the World was perfect. Everyday there was sunshine, everyone was healthy, wealthy and wise. But then again if that was the case, if everything was perfect, like it was in the Garden of Eden, if no one ever suffered or got punished, why would your beliefs change? Would you have more respect for your earthly parents if they let you do anything you wanted whenever you wanted. If you could cuss them out whether you were 2 or 42, if you chose not attend school, if you disobeyed them just because you wanted to?

Answer 3

Well I would simply go ahead and disagree with you that people are "born unbelievers." Only hyper-calvinism teaches that and it is not shared by most believers. We believe anybody can choose Christ and live for God, even th most wicked among us.

God does not control the way we act. We are born free-willed self-determined beings meaning we have the capacity for thought, reason, and decision making and WE determine what happens to us by virtue of our choices.

The only thing that wills us to committ sin is evil/the world/Satan, not God. Sin is not in his character and he is not our tempter.

God is all good and can control "bad things" have you never read the Bible? The only contradiction I see is your logic and non-existant knowledge of God or the Bible. I highly recommend you pick up an NIV today and start reading! Good luck!

Answer 4

If you believe that man has the capability to look to God for salvation, then I will not disagree with you. Arminianism leaves a quagmire, doesn't it? I've never understood responses that try to put free will & omnipotence together, and some of the responses stray so far from scripture we start getting into sci-fi.

Just remember Mankind is far from innocence. This might lead you to some better conclusions about who God is and how undeserving we are.

Answer 5

I know this is going to be as popular as a booger in the soup. BUT. God is Omnipotent exclusive of your free will. God does not control your acts ,you do. now god does sometimes chastise those who sin but only does so to get their attention. our spiritual death is not a result of our sins per se. But rather a result of our refusal to accept believing in Christ as a way of washing away our sins. Christ was given that right to do that by way of the cross. And a little known fact as Cliff Claven would say is that we were sinners before we got into this world.

Answer 6

Hinduism believes that no person created us yet that the soul is immortal some thing that wasn't purely "Created" yet waiting and dormant. We have self assurance that Our god created people bodies and the worldwide so as to earnings, thrive, and stay for god. and take a look into to continuously seek for god. Our souls have been at a decrease Vibration then god so so as to seek for our god the All understanding lords created the worldwide so we are able to how you would be one with god. We have self assurance the worldwide as an adventure and reincarnation a existence-style. Our god says with out disappointment, misery or discomfort we isn't waiting to adventure genuine love, happiness, and enlightenment. So our god can no longer get rid persons simply by fact we are an aside of them and additionally immortal Our souls in any case.

Answer 7

Your logic is faulty. For one thing, God is outside of Time altogether. He doesn't already know what the future will be. . . he just watches it happening, right now. Your own choices are still your own choices. Yes, He knows if you're going to sin or not, but that choice remains (as it always was) completely yours to make. That gift of free will that He gives us also allows us to be cruel and hateful to each other, to hurt and pillage and rape and murder. That may seem like a high price to pay for allowing free will, but He thought it was worth it. Perfect goodness can never debate about the ends to be achieved, and perfect wisdom can never debate about the means best suited to achieve those ends, even if those means have to hurt sometimes. You wouldn't call a doctor evil because he caused pain during the process of saving your life, would you? Certainly not. God obeys His own rules, because He is not capricious. He chose to give us free will, and now He is bound by that choice, because of His own goodness. That limits His other options. Not because His power encounters a block, but because He would have to break His word. One of the most amazing things about God is that He allows Himself to be bound in that way, for our sakes. You also have a faulty idea about hell. You were made for the sake of loving God and being with Him forever. To be apart from Him is misery, and that is the best way to understand what hell is. He isn't willing that anyone should perish in that way (He said so Himself), but that same gift of freedom allows people to choose to reject Him if they simply won't have it any other way. Their own choice is what sends them to hell, not God, and not even their sins. Those are forgiven just for the asking, and heaven is open to anyone who wants to go there. Your questions are not as difficult as you think. . . if you would take a little time and read a book of basic Christian theology.

Answer 8

You won't get a satisfactory answer for this, but yes....if god knows everything then there can only be an illusion of free will based on our own limited knowledge...but true free will wouldn't be possible.

Answer 9

It's all about you, isn't it?
A better question would be: assuming God is (all of the above), how can a limited intelligence encompass the mere possibility?

Answer 10

hey he gave us free will.you choose whos plan youll follow Gods or yours Gods leads to eternal life and yours to death and eteranl hell.You realy dont know god so yiou cant understand.You have free will now you choose what you want that is free will he cant make you do things if you dont want.you cant understand if you dont know god.He actually tries to get you to look for him but you refuse becaus its your will.