I will try to ask this as respectfully as possible. If this is the wrong forum for this question, please let me know and I will withdraw it.
I am the next of kin of a deceased US Navy retiree. Without giving unecessary details, I was told recently by a family member that he had been imprisoned while in the military and had been demoted. I am trying to research if this information is accurate, but as of yet have not been able to attain the records. From the information I do have (enlistment, re-enlistment and discharge records), it appears as though he received the ranking of BM3 in 1952, then again was given a ranking of BM3 in 1959. I have no record of him having any other ranking until 3 years later when he received a rank of BM2 and then retired as a BM1 after 20 years of service. On all of his re-enlistment records his character of service was honorable.
What is the liklihood that one would retain the ranking of BM3 for 10 years without demotion?
Thank you for your time
2007-02-09 09:46:01 · 9 answers · asked by Moira 2 in Politics & Government ➔ Military
I think it's highly unlikely he'd be a BM3 for 10 years. He was obviously not a knuckle-head because he advanced to BM2 within 3 years of the second BM3 and retired as a BM1.
If he did time in prison, not a navy brig, but prison, he'll have a federal conviction record. All convictions at court marshal are considered to be a felony.
I'd send a FOIA request to the Federal Bureau of Prisons. I'd supply as much info as possible and specify the time frame. Make sure you state that he would have been in a military disciplinary barracks.
I'd also FOIA the Department of Defense for any record of conviction at court marshal for the family member, again, supplying as much info as possible.
2007-02-09 10:50:39 · answer #1 · answered by Yak Rider 7 · 0⤊ 1⤋
It is very likely that a person retained the rank of BM3 for 10 years given the time period 1952 to 1959. However, since their are 2 listings in the service record of him having attained the rank of BM3. What this basically means is he was demoted and it took awhile to reacquire that previous rank. Back in the old days prior to 1964 rank promotions weren't always that prevalent especially in peace time.
I served 34 years in the navy and retired. I sat in rank E-7 for 12 years before i was promoted to Senior Chief E-8 was an E-8 for 3yrs then made E-9 Master Chief for 5 years.
I thought i'd end up a E-7 and was about to submit papers for retirement when i made E-8.
As i recall back in the early days 50's-70's their were age requirements for certain ranks as well.
Hope this helps.
2007-02-09 17:59:13 · answer #2 · answered by michael_trussell 4 · 0⤊ 0⤋
Back in the olden days, it was possible to be a BM3 for quite some time. 10 years is not out of the realm of possibility. That was in the days when technical ratings were new, and they were advancing faster than the traditional Deck and Administrative ratings. The link below can help you pull all his military records, and from the Record of Training and Occupational Standards pages, you should be able to determine his advancement (or reduction) path. Good luck.
2007-02-09 18:11:41 · answer #3 · answered by Mangy Coyote 5 · 0⤊ 0⤋
Information is usually found on the military form DD214. I think that in the years you mention, a BM3 was the next rank above seaman, meaning a specialty. At the time of his incarceration, he was demoted one rank step down to seaman again. Since the charge was not severe enough to warrant a discharge other than honorable, he was offered to qualify again to his former rank barring no further mishaps. The naval rank structure numbers go from high to low. It is only the desire of the navyman to rise up in rank in his qualifications, unless such delays were noted on the disciplinary records. Your best bet for research would be to contact the local navy recruiter and ask for the address of the naval archives. Good luck.
2007-02-09 18:16:36 · answer #4 · answered by Coyote 2 · 0⤊ 1⤋
as a boatswaismate of the U.S. Navy it is possible to hold a rank of bm3 for ten years the cut off is twelve years. but it sounds like he may have been demoted. because its not likly to be promoted for the same rate twice without something happening you can contact the pentegon and ask for his full service record or maybe the local navel reserve center or american legion can help
2007-02-09 18:07:56 · answer #5 · answered by highlander 2 · 0⤊ 0⤋
It sounds like some time between 1952 and 1959, he was demoted for some reason. The information you want should be in his Service Records, unless it was Censored... You might want to contact V A (Veterans Administration) Veteran Affairs for help...
2007-02-09 18:03:41 · answer #6 · answered by Anonymous · 0⤊ 0⤋
He may have been temporally promoted to 3rd class during the Korean War and then when the war ended, reverted back to the rank of Seaman.
From my readings, it seems that wartime promotions were fairly common during the Korean War. It appears that officers were the primary recipients of these promotions, but it was not unheard of for enlisted to be too.
2007-02-10 23:18:35 · answer #7 · answered by itsr13 2 · 0⤊ 0⤋
Do you know if there was any broken service? That could be a reason. Broken service is that he got out of the service and later came back in.
2007-02-09 17:54:45 · answer #8 · answered by Joseph P 3 · 0⤊ 0⤋
bosin mate 3rd class is an e4,, enlisted 4th grade, 2 is higher 1 is higher,, e6,, he scrubed paint on the ship and did the maintenence,, back then it would be very likely
2007-02-09 17:55:15 · answer #9 · answered by Anonymous · 0⤊ 0⤋