Compare "unclean" to the concept of original sin. We shouldn't call anything God makes "unclean," yet humans are evil? Why would anyone believe that God's most special creation is evil? Isn't each newborn God's creation?
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2007-02-09 02:49:55 · 22 answers · asked by Hatikvah 7 in Society & Culture ➔ Religion & Spirituality
Scince the beginning of time, people have disputed about biblical prophecies etc. Even to this day, there will alway's be arguing about who is right and wrong. " I say up, you say down ", " He say's left, she say's right " If god made everyone think on the same level, then it would be a systematic world, and everything would be the exact same without change for improvements, enhancement etc. So my thery would be that, God created all people equal, yes he did, with the equal mental ability to think, and reason for themselves, with the ability to make there own choices and decisions, therefore the people that feel they are doomed i because thats the way they think about themselves and life in general. The ones that own succesful buisinesses and are rich, they have a straight perspective on life, and goals, and have trianed there minds to think that way through the years. It's not that God made us all siners and loosers, it's that we chose to be the way we are today, and that's scary...
2007-02-09 02:59:28 · answer #1 · answered by Anonymous · 1⤊ 0⤋
Yowza. It is my observation that whenever a question is raised regarding religion & spirituality that has "Christian" attached to it becomes an arena for ad hominim arguments and 'answers' that are irrelevant to the question(s) originally asked.
So here is my response to your question...in reverse:
Isn't each newborn God's creation? Yes.
Why would anyone believe that God's most special creation is evil? Anyone would believe this simply because of our (people's, the world's) actions and inactions. War, violence, rape, theft, scandals galore...the list goes on.
We shouldn't call anything God makes "unclean," yet humans are evil? Are humans evil? Or is it our actions? We have no place in calling anything unclean - our knowledge of what is clean and unclean is directly derived from what God has deemed so. Why listen to God? Because He is good. The Christian Bible states this in Mark 10:18 when Jesus says, "No one is good but One, that is, God."
Compare "unclean' to the concept of original sin. The concept of original sin or the act thereof was a choice that man made. We disobeyed God and made ourselves unclean through our actions.
Anyways, I'm digging your screenname - L'Chaim! To life! And I do appreciate the questions you've asked; I've asked them myself before. And whereas my answers came from reading the Bible and building a relationship with Jesus Christ, I'm not here to preach. Also, it is my opinion that once one states that they are a Christian, then anything in their response is automatically discredited.
Nonetheless, understanding the character of God and the character of man will help clarify these thoughts on uncleanliness and evil. That's all I have for now.
2007-02-09 12:48:20 · answer #2 · answered by Arch Stanton 1 · 0⤊ 0⤋
yup, you won't find Christian dogma such as 'the depravity of the soul' which is behind original sin in the bible. That was man-made speculation of early Christian philosophers
The idea is each soul is born depraved and unclean, a provocative statement which contradicts the idea that God breathed his spirit into living things. If God's spirit is pure, then how can we be unclean from conception?
Potentially this is like saying God's spirit is unclean, which is the unforgivable sin. If Jesus had believed this he wouldn't have said 'become like children' but would have no special compassion for them
2007-02-09 10:58:58 · answer #3 · answered by Anonymous · 2⤊ 0⤋
Because you are misquoting. The full verse says (from NIV translation): "Do not call anything impure that God has made clean." Not "has made," but "has made clean." Keep in mind, this is in a verse where God has given a specific command to Peter ("Get up, Peter. Kill and eat.") and Peter refuses. Here, God has given a gift to Peter, and he refuses, by labelling it unclean. The message here (as I read it, and think quickly) is that things are not necessarily clean or unclean in their essence, but are such a way as God has labeled them--God can make the unclean clean, simply by doing so. This is much the same as the way God rendered the old Mosaic laws irrelevant through the sacrifice of Jesus--that which was unclean before (pork, etc.) is now clean, because God can chose to cleanse things.
2007-02-09 10:58:53 · answer #4 · answered by Qwyrx 6 · 1⤊ 0⤋
That particular passage is about a vision that Peter allegedly had after he was asked to go to the house of some Gentiles to have dinner with them. He didn't want to do it, and had a dream that there were unclean and clean animals together on a sheet. Peter allegedly hears God say that he should not call unclean what God has declared to be clean. In other words, "Go to the Gentiles and eat with them."
2007-02-09 10:53:40 · answer #5 · answered by Kallan 7 · 3⤊ 0⤋
Isn't it nice of God to say that?
As for the other points you raise, I'm going to have to file them under 'Further things I don't understand' in my 'Why I'm glad I'm not a Christian' file.
From my standpoint, inconsistency is not a good way to run a religion. Compounding the inconsistency, with ill-logic, only further diminishes it's appeal. Add a streak of violent intolerance (preferably large enough to be visible from outer space) as a daily ritual amongst a minority of your followers (or those who give lip service to your faith, imagining that by doing so, they gain all the benefits, with no obligation on their part), and I think the package if pretty much complete.
Anyone who attempts to live a decent, respectful life and keep to a moral code, while identifying themselves as an adherent of that religion, doesn't stand a chance.
Which is a terrible pity.
Good people don't deserve to be judged, in absentia, and found wanting.
2007-02-09 11:12:13 · answer #6 · answered by busted.mike 4 · 2⤊ 0⤋
Hold on a second. The verse you are referring to in the question is when God is declaring that there is no such thing as "unclean food" anymore. That has nothing to do with evil.
2007-02-09 10:57:28 · answer #7 · answered by cnm 4 · 0⤊ 0⤋
Quote:
1ti 4:4 For every creature of Elohim is good, and nothing to be refused, if it be received with thanksgiving:
1ti 4:5 For it is sanctified by the word of Elohim and prayer.
The key words here are:
Verse 4 - "every creature of Elohim"
What creatures are approved of by Elohim?
Verse 5 - "sanctified by the word of Elohim"
The creatures that are sanctified (suitable for consumption) by the word (logos) of Elohim, are the animals in Leviticus.
at one time that the matter was probably concerning those who were vegetarians, which I agree with as well. Imagine a vegetarian coming to your home, you do not realize they are a vegetarian and you are serving lamb for the main course (which is an animal tht has been set apart by the word of YHWH). Shaul is stating that this person should not make a fuss about what is before them, but should eat it because it is fit to eat>
this is the correct context you have a mind think!could it be that what you have been taught is wrong?
2007-02-09 10:55:37 · answer #8 · answered by Anonymous · 0⤊ 1⤋
God didn't say the new born is evil, if a child dies they go to heaven. Proof---Let the children come unto me, for theirs is the Kingdom of Heaven.
But once we reach age of accountability, we will be judged on our conducts(accept God's salvation plan through faith). The original sin is always there, but in children God righteously shows grace..
2007-02-09 10:56:41 · answer #9 · answered by Charles H 3 · 0⤊ 0⤋
I agree with Venom. It's talking about animals not being "unclean".
Every heard of "Kosher" food. This verse you quoted was talking about how someone should not be worried if somebody else eats a certain animal that they consider "unclean". It's about acceptance
2007-02-09 10:57:53 · answer #10 · answered by to be announced 2 · 0⤊ 0⤋