I do NOT support any type of discrimination against anyone, but should the Islamic community address the?

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injustices done to other cultures in their own nations before they address how they are treated in other nations?

I fully support all rights of religious practise, and oppose any discrimination based on religion or culture, for anyone in this nation, but I am also getting very tired of watching the Muslim community complain about injustice given the states of their own nations.

Considering that Christians, Jews, etc. are NOT permitted to practise their religion in the gulf states, or Iran, does Islam really have the right to address discrimination in other cultures?

When the Holy Temple was under Muslim control, Jews and Christians were forbidden to worship there, but they are up in arms over repairs to access the site. Does this strike anyone else as a bit insane?

Answer 1

Now sir I agree with the initial premise that muslim countries should mind their own human rights records before complaining about anyone else. I couldnt have said it better myself since Ive lived in Saudi Arabia and I know the kind of treatment Saudis do to ANYONE who isnt Saudi.

However youve made a horrible deduction by equating muslims with their governments.

There are a few places in the world where religious tolerance is null. Saudi Arabia and Iran are one of them. The majority of Gulf countries arent even radically islamic and give a lot of freedom to all kinds of people.

Majority of countries who say theyre built on muslim ideology are a few in the world.

Which is why you need to make a serious distinction between governments and communities.

No doubt in the brink of the modern world, governments work on their OWN agenda. Not of Islam or any other higher ideology. In fact, where politics is concerned, I dont believe ANY higher idealism takes place. Its all for the preservation of self.

What youre doing is really nothing but complaint. It is however, an empty one because youre misinformed and lack historical policital knowledge of the middle eastern area.

To lump the muslim community who most of the time cant find any proper defense of rights from their own governments, into one little area, you do no good to anyone.

Why do you think they move to democratic western states in the first place?

Granted its a subject that needs to be discussed. But it needs a lot of unbiased previous reading and first hand knowledge of governments and their motives.

For the moment, your contribution to this discussion is nothing more than a man who sits and blames the cloud for the storm.

Answer 2

I agree with you. I don't support discrimination either. But when it comes down to it, the Muslims aren't exactly the only ones being discriminated against.

Like, say, in Indonesia. the Muslims often plant bombs in Catholic/Christian churches prior to our religious events (Christmas, etc.). On the other hand, the Catholics have done nothing against their places of worship.

Almost every country has made allowances for the Muslims to practice their religion. Even countries that are mostly occupied by other religions. Most of their requirements are already met. So I really don't understand what they're complaining about. Our religion is squashed in many Muslim-based countries (again, I'm using Indonesia and the Gulf states as a point of referance) but we don't complain that much. Just when the discrimination gets too ridiculous. Like say, the bombs.

So, to sum it up, I completely agree with you.

[EDIT] Someone below mention that the acts I mention are done by terrorists. I'd like to make it clear that while terrorists might've had a hand in it, it was done by the mass public, not the terrorists. Indonesia had had a lot of internal conflicts. First it started with the Chinese vs. the Muslims (although I fail to see the connection here. I mean, just because one is a Chinese, doesn't mean he/she can't be a Muslim right? Race and religion are unrelated to a certain extent). And recently, it has moved to the Christians vs. Muslims. Although the government does not approve of it, it happens.

Answer 3

Each country decides for itself how it will deal with religious pluralism.

I think that people who emigrate to the United States (for example) have every right to expect that their adopted country will treat them the same as any other citizen. And when they are not afforded the same rights and privileges as American citizens of other religions, they have every right to protest that, and to bring suit against the offending agencies.

Are you aware that many predominantly Muslim countries like Morocco treated their Jewish population FAR better than "Christian" nations during the 1940s? Other Muslim countries like Saudi Arabia have been historically hostile to Jews.

It's not a simple situation.

But basically you seem to be saying that other countries must conform to OUR ideas on how to deal with religious pluralism as a prerequisite to us dealing with everyone equally under our laws.

This is a dangerous way of thinking. We cannot fail to uphold OUR convictions about equal treatment because others do not have the same convictions.

We cannot give ourselves excuses for this kind of behavior. It would be similar to not living by your own standards because someone else doesn't live by them.

Answer 4

Many of the Muslim countries offer religious freedoms to all their citizens look at Egypt, Lebanon, Syria (Arab states), Turkey, Pakistan They have religious freedom, the lady above is mentioning bombs in Churches in Indonesia. I've never personnaly heard of it, but these people that do are terrorists and not governments that plant bombs or oppress religions.

Repairs? This is Muslim controlled territory what right does Isreal have to repair it? The Temple Mount is now the Al Aqsa mosque and has been for centuries do you see Solomans temple there? Do you seriously think they are "repairing" the access, if so you need to get out in the real world.

Answer 5

What you are referring to is the Shi'a regime that is in control of the area. It is due to the over-zealous and radical ideals of the Shi'ites that the area is in constant struggle with itself and other nations. As a Muslim, it is a shame that even fellow Muslims cannot get along with each other, let alone peoples from other religions. Considering I have lived in the US all my life, I have come to appreciate the freedom of religion given to all living in the US.

As-Salaamu Alaikum - Peace be upon you

Answer 6

It is clear that Muslims use and exploit the openness of western societies against those societies. They are simply practicing the dictum of Lenin who claimed that a capitalist would sell the hangman the rope upon which he hanged.

Answer 7

Problem is if anyone speaks out they will probably be hunted down and killed for their efforts.

Answer 8

Religion breeds contempt.