Im debating Christianity and I need some ideas....????

Question

What are some "cons" on Christianity? Sorry Christians, I have plenty of info on the "Pros" side.

Basicly im asking you to make a true believer a non-believer, and try to make it short & sweet if you can! Being raised a Christian, im finding this next to impossible. Help me understand, thanks...

Answer 1

Well, the biggest problem that I have with Christianity is probably the concept of hell. A punishment is supposed to have an end so that the person is able to learn from his mistakes, but the Biblical version of hell NEVER ends, so a person never gets that opportunity. Hell isn't fair at all; it's cruel and unusual. It's torture, basically. There is no crime that you can possibly commit that deserves being sent to a lake of fire for eternity. Any God who would sentence anyone (people that HE created) to that kind of ridiculous punishment -- for ANY reason -- is unbelievable.

And that's not even mentioning the fact that we're supposed to believe that only Christians go to heaven. So Bill Gates goes to hell -- never mind the fact that he's donated thirty billion dollars to charity. God cares more about his choice of religion than anything else, so all the charitable work that he's done essentially means nothing. It's all just so preposterous in my opinion.

Answer 2

I have a friend who just can't understand how Christians can believe that Jesus died and was resurrected. So one point could be that Christians have to believe in events that are outside the known physical realm -- They believe in miracles.

How does a Christian reconcile the supposed love of fellow man with the horror of the crusades, Nazism (and if you're so inclined) the current war in Iraq? Tough to explain that one away.

The missionaries sent out to "new" lands are mostly responsible for the destruction of other cultures, i.e. Mayan/Aztec. Is this truly loving thy neighbor?

There are plenty of arguments against Catholicism. Just look up Martin Luther. But one in particular was the land-grabbing 'law' that Catholics with no children had to leave their property to the church. That is why the Catholic Church is the largest land owner in the world. Yet the old mandate to not eat meat on Friday was brought about by a Pope who wanted to help the Italian fishing industry. Doesn't sound like good use of the leader's powers to me.

There are just a few to whet your appetite. Better check the Catholic facts though. Those could all be hearsay.

Good Luck!

Answer 3

Get your self a copy of "The God Delusion" By Richard Dawkins
Major con; it's a religion based on a bronze age outlook on the "universe" steeped in superstition and ignorance which amazingly still persists. Therefor no Darwin just creationism.
Major con; the Gospels are full of contradictions, inaccuracies and historical falsehoods. Also the 4 Gospels were rather randomly picked from at least a dozen others. ( Judas, Mary Magdalen, Nicodemus, Thomas, Bartholomew etc.)

Answer 4

Christianity as protestants go, have NO esteemed authority to act on behalf of christ. NONE whatsoever. So, instead of admitting they have no authority they claim they get it from the bible itself.
The Catholic Pope of course has a church doctrine that He can do no wrong. Some sort of infalibility. Buzzzz. No human being can be found infalible. UNLESS there is direct DIRECT revelation, and its truly NOT SATAN. However the popacy also had a history that is not so sterling, almost anyone looking at the true history of the church will SEE something not so infalible or divine. LIKE one pope being excommunicated and another one here and there. NOPE no apostolic geneaology there.
Why do protestants have less of a bible than the Catholic church? yet both say they have the truth.
protestants are taught to believe in the trinity as opposed to the godhead. When reading the prayers of jesus will focus in on the individuality of the son and the Father. When specifically asking about being ONE with God remind Him of the oneness of mankind with God that Jesus invites us too. Also invite him to sit on a throne that Jesus sits on just as the same way Jesus was invited to sin on the FAther's throne. rev 3:21, 21:7

Answer 5

If someone is a "true believer", nothing you say will magically turn them into a non-believer. A Christian believes in God because they have a relationship with Him - He is their Heavenly Father and has proven Himself to them in very personal ways. Also, for a Christian who studies their Bible, taking some verses out of context is not going to shake their belief in the slightest because they have a better understanding of scripture than you do. Neither will attacking the Bible. It has survived centuries of skeptics trying to debunk it, only to have Archaeology, ancient texts, and SCIENCE by the way confirm its credibility.

You're wasting your time. Why would you even want to attempt this? You should find something more productive to do with your time, such as bettering yourself, pursuing meaningful goals, not trying to shatter someone else's faith. It's petty behavior, don't you think?

Answer 6

Well from what I see, Christians need to "save" people. Not want, but need. They hurt people's feelings in the process. A lot of them are hypocrites, I know that in the bible it says "Not to judge others" and yet they do. A lot of them are narrow-minded, the Bible is full of contradictions and it's not aligned with Science and History.

Basicly that's it.

Peace out.

Answer 7

i can not waste time and argue with you, contained in the fashionable day definition experience of the note argue. i will inform you regardless of the indisputable fact that, that the Bible is MY in hardship-free words known creed so in spite of it says I heed. some issues used to again up what's concept ought to or gained't be incorrect, in preserving with if the guy has rightly divided the note of reality. This branch can in hardship-free words be quite finished via the Spirit of God interior someone. listed less than are some issues which i have self assurance are incorrect: Abortion, discrimination,hatred, violence, homicide, rape, incest, Polygamy, disrespecting your mate, disrespecting your elders, disrespecting those in authority; in spite of if those in authority are incorrect, and disobeying purely guidelines jointly with the speed reduce. There are better yet those are some issues which i have self assurance are incorrect.

Answer 8

Just do like everyone else on this forum. Quote something out of context, act appalled, pretend you have discovered something profound, and fake your way through it.

Answer 9

The whole "blind faith" thing is kind of a downer.

Answer 10

“… kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman that hath known man by lying with him. But keep alive for yourselves all the young girls who have not known a man intimately…” (Numbers 31: 17-18)

“Then I also will walk contrary to you in fury, and I, even I, will chastise you seven times for your sins. You shall eat the flesh of your sons, and you shall eat the flesh of your daughters…” (Lev.26:28-29)

“Shall there be evil in a city, and the Lord hath not done it?” (Amos 3:6)

“ And I will dash them one against another, even the fathers and the sons together,… I will not pity, nor spare, nor have mercy, but destroy them.” (Jer.13:14).

The above quotations and several others, too numerous to count, describe some of the merciless, rather criminal activities, ascribed to a god in the Old Testament called “Jehovah”. I use a small “g” advisedly, convinced that the god here described cannot be the Almighty, Creator of all the universes that we know. The Jehovah of the Bible is callous, vindictive, jealous, brutal, tyrannical, and is a tribal god! He appoints a people like him and calls them his people! Is anyone still in doubt that he cannot be the creator of all? – Otherwise he must own up to being partial, in addition to his many low points!

ØThis god, not knowing his own mind, “created man” and thereafter “repented” of this action and annulled his own creation by wiping his creatures (including innocent babies and children!) out in a “world-wide flood”, after which he repented again and promised never to do such evil anymore!
ØFailing to civilise man, he now chose himself a people, obviously of his ilk, gave them laws he often commanded them to disobey or disobey himself (as in quotations above) and also in: “Thus saith the Lord God of Israel” (tribal god, see what I mean?) “Put every man his sword by his side, and go in and out from gate to gate throughout the camp and slay every man his brother… his companion, and …his neighbour”! (Ex.32:27)
ØHe hardened Pharaoh’s heart, thereby taking responsibility for Pharaoh’s actions, but turned round to punish Pharaoh’s family, his household, his innocent people, the livestock, plants, rivers and the entire land!
ØHe encouraged the notoriously wicked and devilish acts of slavery and slave trading, as he gave “his people” laws about buying slaves and branding them by drilling hole in their ears!! (Exodus 21)
ØHe often showed vindictiveness and cruelty, as he smote his people with “a great plague” for desiring a change of food from manna! (Num. 11:33)
ØHe demanded human sacrifice (Lev.27:28-29), and actually acquiesced to the sacrifice of Jephthah’s only child as burnt offering!! (Judges 11:30-39).
ØThis same god, in order to win a detestable bet with his arch-rival, Satan, condoned the killing of Job’s ten innocent children, his servants and livestock, all on the same day! (Job 1).
ØHe often showed partiality, as he said: “Jacob have I loved, but Esau have I hated” even without cause! He killed a man for daring to support the Ark of Covenant to prevent it from falling over! Yet he spared David (a man after his heart) for committing adultery (with Uriah’s wife) and murder (of Uriah himself)! Rather David’s innocent child was killed for his father’s sin!!
ØAnd the clincher of the trophy for infamy: Can any injustice be greater than this? Have a look: “And the Lord sent pestilence upon Israel”, killing seventy thousand men (II Samuel 24:15). But for what? For a sin they committed? No! But for a sin committed by David, their king! Ah! And what is this mortal “sin”? one might ask: David numbered the people of Israel!! Seventy (not tens, not hundred) thousand innocent men were slaughtered without counting the supposedly inconsequential women and children!! And wait for it: the census that led to this horrendous massacre was done at the instance of this same god!!! (verse 1) because, as they say “his mercy endures for ever”. Read the whole story honestly and numerous others in the books of Joshua, Judges, Samuel, Kings, and Chronicles, and you will feel nothing but blood-cuddling horror at the acts of this “blood demanding” god!

What more can one say about the stories of war, torture, rape, and extermination of whole races; about incest, lies, betrayal and murder; about massacre of even innocent babies; about sacrifices; about atrocities and blood-dripping altar of this tribal god. Could the Devil have done, or commanded to be done, acts worse than this? If a god could command: “kill every male among the little ones…keep the young virgins for yourselves”, what worse can any tyrannical Devil command? The picture that can be painted from all these gory tales of this so-called “Jehovah God” is nothing more than that of a blood-sucking vampire; his altar, (and of course his teeth), dripping with blood, often of the innocent (as in the case of Jephthah’s daughter, the seventy thousand, and many else!). No wonder he demands “shedding of blood” for remission of sin! What more can one say of these tales of barbarity and savagery that make any civilised one cringe in horror!

On second thought, perhaps one should rescue the otherwise flabby image of their god from these wretched tragic stories, and admit that the stories were either fabrications or real acts of brutal people that offend every sense of justice, and against man and God. In which case the book that tells us about them is a lie, fabricated for human vanity. How dare, then, that some still claim that such a book is “acceptable for doctrine”! Which doctrine? Doctrine of demons and war? Of depravity and murderous crime? Of man’s inhumanity to man? Or is it the doctrine of hell fire, propagated in the so-called New Testament that is anything worth mentioning? Of a god, so full of “infinite mercy” that he would punish finite “sin” – even telling a lie - with infinite punishment without parole? Of a god who rewards “belief” with heavenly bliss, but sentences a morally righteous man to hell for “the crime of unbelief”? Of a god that creates man and allows the so-called snake to subvert his purpose, so much so that he himself had to capitulate to suffer death for a crime he apparently did not commit, nonetheless left the snake loose to capture majority of his creatures, while he (the supposed maker) consoles himself with the minority that will go to heaven, expecting them to be perfectly happy for being so “chosen” when majority of their family and friends are damned! Bravo to this despicable god of hell fire!

Is it not better, if one must read inspired works, to read Shakespeare, Soyinka or Ingersoll? As the entire story, absurd in every ramification, stands reason on its head and strangulates justice, I hasten to flush this “Book of Lies and Absurdities” called Bible down the toilet in order to save the name of “Jehovah God” that it so heavily blasphemes! For nothing can be more blasphemous, more profane, than to attribute the infamy of man to the Creator in the name of inspired scripture! Come with me then to: http://flushaholybook.com before I throw up!