Christians/anyone who believes in the Bible, do you agree with this...?

Question

"We believe all that God has revealed, all that He does now reveal, and we believe that He will yet reveal many great and important things pertaining to the Kingdom of God."

This is a doctrinal belief held by members of the Mormon church. I am curious as to whether you agree or do not agree with this statement. Why or why not?

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Me, thanks for your opinion. It doesn't have anything to do with the question at hand, but thx for your thought.

Seeker, I agree with most of what you say, but why would new revelation from God be rejected if it differed from previous revelation? It seems there were others who shared this same belief and rejected any doctrinal change or teaching offered by Jesus - He called them Saducees and Pharisees. (i.e. - consider His teachings re: the law of Moses). Some may say "blasphemous!", new revelation can't be different from old revelation. But has it happened throughout the Bible? Of course.

Jack, re: the symantics, Mormons believe revelation is "communication between God and man". The Kingdom of God refers to His kingdom on the earth, a.k.a His church and those who follow Him.

Commander, why would you believe that "God has unveiled everything to us already"? Do you feel the Bible has taught you this?
If you believe the Bible, you most likely accept "Surely the Lord GOD will do nothing, but he revealeth his secret unto his servants the prophets." (Amos 3:7) Divine and even current instruction has been a method of communication between God and man throughout history. Adam - who "spoke with God" received no instruction on how to construct an Ark, that was reserved for Noah and his time; likewise Noah was not instructed on how to free the Israelites from Egyptian bondage, that was reserved for Moses and his time, and so on and so on. Why would God abandon such a method now in these latter days? And, if he has... obviously He will return to do so in the future, as noted by John and the book of Revelation (2 prophets will commune with God and perform many mighty miracles in His name).

Data Droid, it sounds like you have a gross misconception of who Mormons (members of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints) are. For whatever reason you have come to your conclusion, I hope you may take the opportunity to learn more about the Mormon faith from the proper sources - I believe you would have a different outlook if you did.

IdahoMike, I am curious as to why you say John the Baptist was the last prophet? Does it have to do with your definition of a prophet?

In lieu of this, John taught that 'He who has the testimony of Jesus, has the spirit of prophecy' (Rev. 19:10). Are not those whom posess the spirit of prophecy then prophets? If so, Paul, Peter, John, and others may be accurately classified as prophets. Furthermore, if you believe the "kingdom will be established" how will you know when this occurs - Has it already? And how can you be sure one way or the other? Just some introspective questions. Again, I am baffled by how many still suggest that Mormons are not Christians... interesting.

B4contact, that's a very philosphical thought. You seem to not like onomatopoeic attributes like "kingdom of God" ascribed to God - "too human-like". Would you prefer scripture change the term to "Goddome of God"? Just curious. =)

Bondservant, if I'm not mistaken, this is the same reason many of Jesus' teachings were rejected by the people of His time - because they supposedly difered from those of Moses.

Answer 1

Times change. Why would 2000 year old answers be the best that God could come up with?

Love and blessings Don

Answer 2

You are just using this question to argue that Mormons are better than other religions because they have modern day revelation.

What you should really do is examine the difference between the revelatory experiences at the beginning of the LDS church and those of today. Don't kid yourself. There is not one member of the general authorities alive today who would tell you they have literally heard or seen angels, messengers, Jesus, or God. In the early days of the church this was a regular occurance. And don't tell me that that SWK getting a "warm fuzzy" about blacks getting the priesthood is even in the same league as the visions and manifestations that the early saints experienced. Current church leadership has about the same level of "revelation" as you or any other religious person has, and yet the LDS church continues to harp on "modern day revelation!" Yippie! Whahooo!!

Answer 3

How do you know what God has revealed? all what we have "from" God is made using the Human hand, mind or voice. I think that Humans reveal the way.
If God is part of the process that's fine with me, but is the Human working to discover more knowledge.
Years ago people died fighting for gods that doesn't exist anymore. New gods are revealing themselves and according to the time the persons are able to follow them or not.
I believe in God. I like to read the Bible. But I thing is irrelevant to know if God or someone else will reveal something about the Kingdom of God. Especially because God is not a king (that would be too human)... God should be... a god.
Faith is the argument that helps people to believe in things that are not easy to prove. For sure that is a legitimate way of following God. So, if you have faith you can believe. The thing for me is to be sure who is telling what God "revealed" and of course under which historical circumstances.

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What captures my attention in religion "words" is that normally they make reference to non existent things just to make a understandable comparison with our reality. Can you imagine to replace "kingdom" for "republic"? :)
I think religions should make a step forward and adapt to moder times. They need to face science and show how important is the wisdom and doctrine for Human development. More people would be involved in religion if we could "get real" and separate the myth from the history, the science from the faith and care more on the "results" of practicing a doctrine. It is not important to discuss about what God is telling or will say... we will never be sure if that is real. It is more important to help people that really needs help.
"The opposite of love is not hate, is indifference".
Discussions about religion are wonderful and complicated. Without knowledge of the evolution of religions and the history around them we can't really be close to the truth. What is important is that any kind of belief should drive people to affect positively the environment.
Which is the difference in the belief if the Virgin Mary was virgin or not? or if Jesus is the son of God or not? or if God really talks to human kind in any way? If some day someone discovers that teh previous statements were false... I would still follow their teachings
- Isn't more important to think that the legacy of Mary, Jesus the wonders of the Bible, Koran can affect the world in such a way that could be a better place where to live?

Answer 4

It seems to make sense. I believed it when I was a member of the Mormon church and I still do believe it even though I've been excommunicated.

I would however be careful to take this or anything else that anyone else says as proof in the absoluteness of the LDS church.

Study it's history, you'll be surprised to find that Joseph Smith Jr. did not have an "original" idea. He was a treasure seeker (hence the burried golden plates), and an active Freemason. Its of no surprise that there are extremely strong parallels (if not down right copies) between the "Initiation of Freemasons" and "The Holy Endowment of the Church of JESUS CHRIST of Latter-day Saints".

If you are LDS and are of age to go to the temple, I would strongly suggest that you make yourself worthy (abstain from drinking, smoking, drinking "hot or strong drink", and do everything else that is proscribed in the Word of Wisdom, pay your tithing to the church, attend Sacrament meeting every week, pray daily, etc, and then be interviewed by your Bishop) so that you may experience the temple.

Though I am no longer a member of the church, and in fact I was excommunicated after requesting that the church remove me from their membership, I must admit that the experience in the temple was an amazing one (though I believe now that it simply is a copy of Freemason ideology).

Once you experience the Endowment, you will have a better understanding of your church's history, Joseph Smith's history, and the history of the Freemasonry movement.

Answer 5

Of course Modern Revelation is still going on. How else do you explain the fact that God's Prophet and APostles on the Earth today have seen and recieved revelation from Jesus Christ. THe gospel doesn't change, the World does. That's why Christ continues to give guidance and revelation to keep those who truly believe in him on the right path.

Answer 6

The Bible is a wonderful source for philosophical guidance, moral teachings, interesting history, metaphor, poetry and spirituality. I do not take everything literally. I am not convinced of everything. I do believe in an eternal struggle between good and evil, heaven and hell, a kingdom on Earth, the resurrection, Jesus' miracles, his teachings, the covenant, etc.

I do not believe in the virginal birth, the son of God claim, the holy trinity. Jesus in my view was a prophet, a healer, a teacher, a new spiritual force to be reckoned with. I am less concerned with the obsessions about who did what to him (It was King Herod, Judas Iscariot, the Romans, Pontius Pilate, corrupt religious authority, who's to blame, really, it was a process). I am more interested in how he fed the poor, thousands of them, with a small amount of fish and bread. That is what he is about. Kindness, miracles, compassion, morality, peace, leadership.

Answer 7

Wow. To believe that he will reveal many great things, sounds wonderful. However, such an anticipation should be approached with caution. Why? Jim Jones, in the name of God, declared himself Jesus. A Certain Pope, in the name of God, revealed that The Knights of the Templar, should go to Jerusalem and kill all the Muslims.

If you were to add a reference point to your doctrine, I would agree with it. A referene point such as for example:

we believe that He will yet reveal many great and important things pertaining to the Kingdom of God, as he has foretold in his holy scriptures." -- Maybe you can think of a better reference point -- but I am sure you get my point.

Answer 8

It is kind of an innoccuous statement.

I do not see anything erroneous, blasphemous, or heretical about it.

I guess it is more a semantical question than a theological one. What do the mormons mean by "revelation," and how do mormons interpret the Kingdom of God?

Answer 9

the kingdom(Gods way of doing things) pertains to us now as in the Lords prayer and many other places in the bible// we are to strive to live in His kingdom now// as a christian yes we believe and know God has revealed His majesty and continues to show us that there are things to be revealed i dont understand your question we all know that God reveals all the things to us in His due time,God is a God of timing His revelation to be revealed in His timing what does that have to do with the christians belief

Answer 10

i`m not ok with this because it states that you must belive all that god has revealed , all that he does now reveal and ... . But that`s the thing , now`a`days , you just can`t say for sure if it`s God`s word or Lucifer`s . So if you belive in something that you think is from god but it turns out to be from Lucifer , you are doomed :) belive only in what he has reaveald throu the bible and you are safe :)

Answer 11

A Christian can believe this statement. But, Mormons (LDS,RLDS) are not Christian at all. They are a pseudo-Christian cult. They attempt to appear as Christians to hide the intent of their church. You can not mix the Bible with the book of Mormon. I have several acquaintances who are either Mormon or RLDS. These are moral people of the highest degree. The use the name of Jesus daily. But their Jesus is a false one who has a brother named Satan-who is actually the head of their church. This is a really weird cult-it is not Christian by any stretch of the imagination.