The Divine Hand of God?

Question

When I asked this question to my pastor before I became agnostic, he called my mother and told her that I needed Jesus.

If it is indeed true that God watches over the elderly, babies, and fools, and that he gives all people knowledge of Christianity and his love and leaves the decision to follow it to us, riddle me this: Suppose I were to take a newborn baby and place them in a windowless, lightless room void of any communication or media whatsoever for 23 years. After the 23 years pass, I return to the room with a bat and I begin to beat the now-grown subject senseless. If in those 23 years, God were to miraculously come down and shine his light on the baby (who has no knowledge of any language at all) then, in essence, the person would beg to GOD for thier life, and pray to GOD that I would stop, right?

First off, why berate me, folks? It's not like I'm blaspheming God or anything so please.

Secondly, for those of you who pay attention to the most miniscule of details, of course the baby would be looked in on and fed while they were growing up, but the person who took care of them would not be allowed to say a word to them. Oy!

Third, how hard is it to understand, people?!

1) Take baby; place in empty, dark room
2) Forbid baby from having any form of commercial human contact for 23 years.
3) Enter room with bat after 23 years; physically assault now-grown baby.
4) Question: Would the person scream out for God, although they have not had any prior knowledge of him or his workings?

Lastly, if God is as Holy and Almighty as he was personified in my old Sunday school class, wouldn't he be able to spread his own word of Christianity without the help of his followers (especially to a newborn baby)?

Answer 1

I'm agnostic, too, and I don't buy into any religions, but I do find that theory to be a little over-simplified. True, if we're all expected to find God, and he's supposedly all-powerful, you'd think HE would come to US. (Many will argue that he has, but I have yet to see any irrefutable proof, something that an all-powerful being shouldn't have much trouble conjuring up.) But...the argument that the person who grew up in a dark room should be calling out to God if you're beating them to death, has several flaws. For one, if they don't speak any language, how do you know that they aren't? I'd say a relationship with God is more of a spiritual thing, and the word "God" is simply a word we associate with him, in English. For all we know, they might be calling out to him, by whatever "name" they know him. For another, a relationship with God wouldn't necessarily mean that you would HAVE to call out to him, that his name would HAVE to come up, if you were being harmed. You might be a little more preoccupied with trying to survive the ordeal.

However, I do feel that the concept you are putting forth, that without social influence, a person would probably not know anything about God (personally, I think their own imagination might concoct something else entirely) is an excellent argument against many existing religions.

NOTW70X - Riddle you this? Gladly. Language could easily have developed the same way we may have evolved, by necessity, and gradually. We began communicating through grunts and gestures. As our minds became more capable, and the need for more complicated communication became necessary, we developed a more complex system of sounds, and eventually, by this process, it became a sophisticated language. Why are there different languages? Because people had spread out over a wide area before languages fully developed. Notice how several languages have similarities? Could have a "common ancestor", in a sense. Makes perfect sense, if your mind is open enough to consider the possibility objectively.

Added - How many of you frickin' people have no idea how to answer a simple question? All of this "Oh my God, that's terrible!" It's a hypothetical situation, to demonstrate a point! For God's sake (no pun intended), look at what is actually being said, rather than "You're talking about violence, so you must be bad!"

Answer 2

You need more than Jesus to help you my child. You have a strange thought process. I think you have mis-interpreted the situation. God doesn't just give us the knowledge of him without some effort on our part. Think of all the people born in countries that have no formal religion. When they are beat they don't pray to God, but it doesn't make God any more real or false. There are lots of things that you don't understand or never have heard of but it doesn't change the fact that they exist. Sounds like you are fishing for an explanation as to why God doesn't exist to justify your beliefs. Just believe what you want, who care what others think.

Answer 3

No. You are truly lacking understanding of who God is and who man is as well as the value of life. Your misunderstanding is that if the child has only been shown abuse they have nothing to compare it to that is different. Therefore, they will have a completely different value system than you do. They will not have a clear understanding of right and wrong and because they have only lived one way they will not know that life should not be like this.

If you have thrown God away because some one did not understand something that you yourself have not understood then you are only trying to justify yourself and your own choices. If this is the reasoning that you use to deny God then you have never known or known much about who God really is. What is the true hurt in you that would cause you to accept such a gross decption of the truth and an outright lie?

Answer 4

Well, it is OBVIOUS that you need Jesus.

The scenario that you paint might have been presented with a little more tact as a generic question. Perhaps, "As I understand it, the phrase, 'God watches over the elderly, babies, and fools' is truth."
Then he sould have told you, "That is not a statement in the bible."
Then, "God gives all people knowledge of Christianity and his love and leaves the decision to follow it to us."
He would have told you, "Where are you getting this mis-information?"
The rest is inspired by the same spirit that drove Pol Pot. It needs to be dealt with spiritually.

Answer 5

Riddle me this lady!
How did language begin, how did we formulate words with no more intelligence than an animal? Explain that to me! If the theory of evolution were true man most have created a language, created a God, etc! So how could this baby not develop any skills? I mean we have them today whether or not there is a God, which for me is impossible to believe there is no God! Don't hate God because bad things happen, rejoice in Him because one day he will put it all to an end!

Answer 6

Dude, no offense to your pastor, but he needs to mind his own business. Calling your mother was probably a power play threat to get you to conform to his way. If there was a God, there would be no need for him to bully people.

Keep an open mind and don't be vulnerable to the strength in other peoples beleifs. No matter how strongly you believe 2+2=5... it still =4.

Answer 7

First off he does not give all people the knowledge of God. If they never find out about God they are not responsible for it. It is only when they know and decline that its true that they are responsible.

Answer 8

You are sick!! The way your mind works is scary. You honestly have put thought into how to abuse a baby then torture the same person as an adult.
Without language I guess there is not a possible way for this person to have a mind and to know Christ. It is obvious if a person is in able to communicate this to you they could not know the Lord.

Go get help!

Answer 9

Truly divine. Reminds me of an old movie where a man starts praying for god to help him and his killer stops and locks him in a room. a few hours later he comes back and says if god hasn't saved him yet he isn't going to. "Bang"

Answer 10

The recipient of your wanton and needless violence would have no need to call on God, as God would have seen to this years ago.