So if half of the OT is negated by Jesus' coming, then why even have it?

Question

"this rule doesnt exist cause jesus changed it" and i keep hearing this. with about every law of the OT. so if all these laws in the OT arent even valid, why do you even have it?

im failing where it says in the bible that you can change the laws...

furthermore no one has still given me a verse where jesus said the laws of old no longer exist...

btw, which laws are valid and which ones arent? and how come? verses please?

Answer 1

(P.S. I'm atheist)

I hear so many Christians now a days claim that the Old Testament is defunct for Jesus was the “lamb” to clear away its rules and regulations. This is just another bullshit scapegoat that Christians use to ignore the atrocities and bizarre laws commanded by their god. Their preachers spoon feed them that the Old Testament is no longer binding so that they can excuse the majority of evil that the bible promotes. I am so tired of Christians manipulating the scriptures so that they can assign a kinder nature to their God, that I have assembled a BRIEF list of verses which clearly show that the Old Testament is not to be ignored. Its laws should indeed be adhered to, for the New Testament demands it! After this section I shall list where the Bible contradicts itself concerning other laws.

1) “For truly, I say to you, till heaven and earth pass away, not an iota, not a dot, will pass the law until all is accomplished. Whoever then relaxes one of the least of these commandments and teaches men so, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven; but he who does them and teaches them shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.” (Matthew 5:18-19 RSV) Clearly the Old Testament is to be abided by until the end of human existence itself. None other then Jesus said so.

2) All of the vicious Old Testament laws will be binding forever. "It is easier for Heaven and Earth to pass away than for the smallest part of the letter of the law to become invalid." (Luke 16:17 NAB)

3) Jesus strongly approves of the law and the prophets. He hasn’t the slightest objection to the cruelties of the Old Testament. "Do not think that I have come to abolish the law or the prophets. I have come not to abolish but to fulfill. Amen, I say to you, until heaven and earth pass away, not the smallest part or the smallest part of a letter will pass from the law, until all things have taken place." (Matthew 5:17 NAB)

3b) "All scripture is inspired by God and is useful for teaching, for refutation, for correction, and for training in righteousness..." (2 Timothy 3:16 NAB)

3c) "Know this first of all, that there is no prophecy of scripture that is a matter of personal interpretation, for no prophecy ever came through human will; but rather human beings moved by the holy Spirit spoke under the influence of God." (2 Peter 20-21 NAB)

4) Jesus criticizes the Jews for not killing their disobedient children according to Old Testament law. Mark.7:9-13 "Whoever curses father or mother shall die" (Mark 7:10 NAB)

5) Jesus is criticized by the Pharisees for not washing his hands before eating. He defends himself by attacking them for not killing disobedient children according to the commandment: “He that curseth father or mother, let him die the death.” (Matthew 15:4-7)

6) Jesus has a punishment even worse than his father concerning adultery: God said the act of adultery was punishable by death. Jesus says looking with lust is the same thing and you should gouge your eye out, better a part, than the whole. The punishment under Jesus is an eternity in Hell. (Matthew 5:27)

7) Peter says that all slaves should “be subject to [their] masters with all fear,” to the bad and cruel as well as the “good and gentle.” This is merely an echo of the same slavery commands in the Old Testament. 1 Peter 2:18

8) “Did not Moses give you the law, and yet none of you keepeth the law" (John7:19) and “For the law was given by Moses,..." (John 1:17).

9) “...the scripture cannot be broken.” --Jesus Christ, John 10:35

Answer 2

Jesus never said the laws don't exist- He fufilled them!

Luke 24:44
He said to them, "This is what I told you while I was still with you: Everything must be fulfilled that is written about me in the Law of Moses, the Prophets and the Psalms."

Romans 13:8
[ Love, for the Day is Near ] Let no debt remain outstanding, except the continuing debt to love one another, for he who loves his fellowman has fulfilled the law.

-Notice this last verse, Jesus tells us the greatest commandment of all is to LOVE one another yes? So in by doing that, you are fulfilling all the other laws- But what I am saying, is we are not saved by the law- and we do not live by works, but by God's grace we are saved. The law is still important because it shows people their sin- they become conscious of sin through the hearing the law -- Romans 10:17 and Romans 3:20

Answer 3

"All scripture is inspired of God and beneficial for teaching, for reproving, for setting things straight, for disciplining in righteousness. (2 Timothy 3:16)."

Isaiah 48:17,18 tells us that God teaches us to benefit ourselves. There are a great deal of examples in the whole Bible to draw counsel and information from. Take for instance the people in Noah's day, who ignored the warning of the flood. They lost their lives because they were absorbed in everyday life. (Genesis 6:1, Matthew 24:37-39) People today are ignoring the warning just the same(2 Timothy 3:1-5; 2 Peter 3:3,4)), but we can benefit from the example that Noah and his family set, by paying attention to Jehovah's warning of the coming destruction of the wicked in our day.

Answer 4

I think it goes along with history. You have to show where you came from to show the , dare I say, evolution of masses. If you do not remember theentire history you may fall prey to repeating it.

This is how we were. This is WHY we think we should change. And this is HOW we think we should change.

Answer 5

They need some reason to hate homosexuals, and they find it in the OT. Thats why they keeep it around.

Answer 6

Jesus love everyone . I do. I gotta get bible and Concorde's.GOD BLESS!!!!

Answer 7

because without it they wouldn't be able to feel good about themselves when they're discriminating aginst homosexuals, duh!