Can anyone give specific Verses? I asked one of your missionary guys but he said he would need to talk to an Elder.
2007-02-07 03:53:37 · 12 answers · asked by Anonymous in Society & Culture ➔ Religion & Spirituality
can't wait to see the answers to this one
2007-02-07 03:57:16 · answer #1 · answered by wanda3s48 7 · 3⤊ 7⤋
No specific bible verses teach that the full count of 144,000 "anointed" ones was complete by 1935. Instead, Jehovah's Witness simply note that the numbers of self-described "anointed" peaked in the mid-1930's. Since the statistics continued to decrease in the decades after, it seems rather obvious that the full count must have been reached in the mid-1930's.
Jehovah's Witnesses do not attach any "dreamy", magical, or "inspired" significance to the specific year 1935. The question is a non-starter for anti-Witnesses since its initial premise is so fundamentally flawed.
Perhaps it makes sense to remind their critics that no human tells any Jehovah's Witness whether he is a member of Christ's heavenly "little flock" or earthly "other sheep" (those found faithful at Armageddon and the vast majority of dead mankind make up these "other sheep" who are restored to a paradise earth with the prospect of living forever upon it).
(Psalms 37:11) 'the meek will possess the earth'
(Proverbs 2:21) 'upright will reside in the earth'
(Isaiah 45:18) 'God formed the earth to be inhabited'
(Matthew 5:5) 'the mild will inherit the earth'
(Revelation 21:3) The tent of God is with mankind
Among the nearly SEVEN MILLION active Witnesses, literally 99.99% choose to identify THEMSELVES with the earthly hope, and consider their hope of eternal salvation to be a divine gift from God. Since each Christian "feels" his hope in his heart, there is nothing human to prevent any Witness from deciding that he is "anointed" (of the 144,000) with a heavenly hope, yet in the last few years literally ONE in 10,000 choose to identify himself as "anointed" (about 0.01%).
There are no special privileges on the earth for a person claiming to be "anointed", and an "anointed" person may not even qualify as a congregation elder or as a 'deacon'! Every Jehovah's Witness shares in the same work: the ongoing global preaching work, which can only be accomplished with God's continued blessing. It seems interesting that no other self-described Christian group comes close to comparing with this work by Jehovah's Witnesses. The central message of Kingdom "good news" remains plain and clear and central to Witness doctrine; many other matters are merely interesting and relatively minor.
(Matthew 24:14) And this good news of the kingdom will be preached in all the inhabited earth for a witness to all the nations; and then the end will come.
2007-02-07 12:01:29 · answer #2 · answered by achtung_heiss 7 · 6⤊ 1⤋
There is no verse because we don't believe or teach that.
I find it ironic that a half dozen Jehovah's Witnesses are on here telling you what we believe. Then people who are not JW's are telling you we believe things that are completely contradictory to what we are saying.
Believe what you want, but if I wanted to know about computers I would call the Geek Squad at Circuit City, I wouldn't call Maaco.
2007-02-08 16:35:15 · answer #3 · answered by girlinks 3 · 1⤊ 0⤋
This teaching is not found anywhere in the Bible. Jw's don't even attempt to derive the date from Scripture. Instead, Watchtower leaders say that "light flashed up" ("new light") — giving Joseph F. Rutherford, their president, a special "revelation of divine truth" about this new doctrine:
"These flashes of prophetic light prepared the ground for the historic discourse on "The Great Multitude," given May 31, 1935, by the president of the Watch Tower Society, J. F. Rutherford, at the Washington, D.C., convention of Jehovah's Witnesses. What a revelation of divine truth that was!"
— The Watchtower, March 1, 1985, page 14
"…the heavenly hope was held out, highlighted and stressed until about the year 1935. Then as 'light flashed up' to reveal clearly the identity of the "great crowd" of Revelation 7:9, the emphasis began to be placed on the earthly hope."
— The Watchtower, February 1, 1982, page 28
So, like much of JW doctrine, there is absolutely NO Scriptural support. Please pray they will receive TRUE light from God before it's too late.
2007-02-07 12:06:15 · answer #4 · answered by Suzanne: YPA 7 · 1⤊ 6⤋
well...we don't say that the "doors to heaven" closed in 1935. I'm not sure where you heard this from. We don't really use phrases like "doors to heaven." We believe in 1914, Satan was thrown out of heaven down to earth & ever since then, He has REALLY been causing a mess on earth. He did so before but things from 1914 on have REALLY gotten bad. The only people who get inot heaven are the 144,000 as the Bible refers to them as. These are litterally 144,000 men/women ever since Jesus who will go there after they die to help rule in God's Paradise Earth AFTER Armageddon. It's VERY in a nutshell so please ask anything else or feel free to study with us or attend our meeting. We never charge a dime...so feel Free to..
2007-02-07 17:39:37 · answer #5 · answered by Anonymous · 3⤊ 1⤋
The Watchtower currently teaches that only a very small group of Christians have been chosen to live in heaven. This special group, called the 144,000, was handpicked by Jesus from among all Christians from the time of Jesus' death in the first century until the year 1935. Although this is the Watchtower's current teaching, it was not their original teaching. When the Watchtower had its beginning in the late 1800's, their teaching was that all true Christians went to heaven including the great crowd. The great crowd who were originally deemed a secondary heavenly class by the Watchtower did not become an earthly class until 1935. The Watchtower's second president J. F. Rutherford said that God gave them new light on the destiny of the great crowd. No longer did the great crowd have a heavenly hope, but Rutherford said that now God was giving a new hope - a hope to live forever on the earth. One cannot help but wonder what happened to the members of the great crowd that had already died with a heavenly hope before the revelation of 1935.The bible does not say that. The bible says,In contrast to the Watchtower's teaching on heaven, who does the Bible promise heaven to? Matthew 5:10-12 makes it clear that those who are persecuted for righteousness sake will be in the kingdom of heaven. Will this be a very small select group of Christians? It can't be because 2 Timothy 3:12 says that all who desire to live godly in Christ Jesus will be persecuted. Not a few, but all! Jesus made the statement that those who are born again are the ones who will enter into the kingdom of God. In John 3:3 & 5 Jesus confronts Nicodemus with the truth that unless you are born again you cannot even hope to see the kingdom of God. Is being born again only for a special select few? 1 John 5:1 says that whoever believes that Jesus is the Christ is born of God. Whoever means anyone not a limited number of 144,000. Jesus himself gave a prayer for believers in John 17:20. Here Jesus says that his prayer is not only for his disciples but also for all those who will believe in Jesus through their word. What did Jesus pray for them? John 17:24 says that he prayed that they would be with him where he is. Where is Jesus? John 14:2-3 says, "In my Father's house are many mansions, if were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you. And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again and receive you to Myself, that where I am, there you may be also." Jesus is in his Father's house and he desires all those who have believed in him by the word of the apostles would be there with him.
2007-02-07 12:02:28 · answer #6 · answered by K 5 · 2⤊ 4⤋
Why don't you people forget these religion arguments.
You sound like muslims. We have freedom of religon in this country and if they think that heaven closed its doors in 1935.
What do you care? I mean who cares?
I personally don't believe in going to heaven. Is that going to cause a fire storm?
Jesus said: The meek would inherit the earth"
I believe in living forever on the earth.
I don't believe in your mumbo jumbo of heaven and hell.
the earth was created for people to live on.
Because Adam and Eve messed up that ruined God;s eternal plan? I believe he has things under better control than that.
Debate issues, not people or Churches or Religons.
Or you could debate and then blow up which you don't favor?
Sunni? Shiite? Hamas? Fatah? Hezbollah? Etc. etc.
It is working so well for those guys?
2007-02-07 12:08:25 · answer #7 · answered by Ruth 6 · 5⤊ 2⤋
As a former Pentecostal I can state that JW's and pentes' are the most gullible people on the planet. With the exception of some terrorists maybe. They always worm their way out of prophecies with something. First God came. No one saw him on that date so like a seer it was decided that "he came invisibly" and on and on. I feel so sorry for these people
2007-02-07 12:02:03 · answer #8 · answered by B00G1 3 · 3⤊ 5⤋
JW is a lying cult that distorted the true Bible.
The true Bible says that those who refuse to believe know deep down that Jesus and the Bible are true, but those people stuff the truth in exchange for a lie. They know the truth, but reject it, and they are simply liars.
2007-02-07 11:57:04 · answer #9 · answered by CJ 6 · 4⤊ 5⤋
well if they truly did close in 1935 then i guess we dont have to be good and nice anymore since there is no chance we will get in then!
So why are they still "recruiting"???
2007-02-07 12:03:46 · answer #10 · answered by germanrose20 2 · 1⤊ 5⤋
It doesn't say that anywhere in the Bible and we don't teach that it does. I think you are confused.
2007-02-07 12:16:19 · answer #11 · answered by krobin 2 · 5⤊ 2⤋